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 Re: Making short scrape European style oboe reeds easy
Author: RobinDesHautbois 
Date:   2010-09-07 22:33

H.F.:
You might want to experiment with more finished reeds before experimenting alot on hybrids. The reasons you gave for going TO American scrape are rather important.

I abandoned American scrape after years of doing it because they ALL felt choked to me.... in fact I felt myself choking when playing on the best of them (be they made by myself or others).

Moving the reed in/out of the mouth is another thing that came naturally to me by insisting on mastering the very high register when I was still a beginner. Exercises do exist whereby you buzz the reed (no instrument) and pull it in and push it out with the mouth only while blowing (you can hold the reed between 2 fingers, but only so you won't drop it!). That and drunken scales (wa-wa-wa-waaaahhhh on each note) greatly develop mouth dexterity.

That's the flip-side of my preferring French/German reeds (more mouth play). I keep saying mouth rather than lips because the main motion is in the jaw with the lips (and surrounding muscles) reacting to other factors that deal with tuning (WAYYY harder to explain than to do!) Perhaps I would not be able to play on real French reeds. But the scrape on a thinner gouge (0.58mm) has given me closed reeds that require very little facial effort.

I really don't know if you'll be able to get a hybrid that allows you to keep what you describe as a rather passive embouchure. My teachers did always tell me to never use the mouth except in the highest range.... but then when I look at them playing, the reed does go in and out in accordance with the musical passage.

In the end, you want to be able to play with your ears and trust the body to respond without thinking. "Perfect technique" is just a means to build strength where you need it and develop the habits so you won't get uselessy tired.

Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music
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