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 Re: Making short scrape European style oboe reeds easy
Author: ceri 
Date:   2010-06-19 13:16

Hautbois français, I shall adopt your practice of using capitals/normal script

You wrote:
"THIS SOUNDS MIGHTY DANGEROUS. I DONT THINK YOU MEAN "slicing down" LIKE HOW YOU WOULD WHEN SHAPING ON A SHAPER TIP. I THINK IT IS LIKE SCRAPING LIGHTLY ON THE SIDES OF THE READ ON ALL 4 SIDES OF IT, NO ?)"
My teacher does slice down like when shaping on a shaper tip. I have never attempted this anc content myself with scraping on all four sides of the reed.

"THE FRENCH REEDS LOOK DIFFERENT, THAT IS WHY I AM SPENDING SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE FRENCH CONSTRUCTION. THE ENGLISH REEDS DONT EVEN HAVE A VISIBLE SPINE DOWN THE SCRAPED PORTION OF THE REED, MAYBE A LITTLE RAISED TAIL TOWARDS AND NEAR THE BARK. OR SCRAPED DOWN THIN. I HAD SAVED REEDS FROM ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO FROM THE ENGLISH TRADITION THAT IS HOW I KNOW THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT."
I also thought my first English reed was very different from my normal French reeds. My teacher said they had more in common with each other than either do with the American long scrape. I find the English reeds much easier to play but less stable intonation-wise and with a brighter tone than the French ones.


"I DONT KNOW WHAT 2 WINDOWS WOULD DO TO A SHORT SCRAPED REED, THEN IT WOULD ALSO THIN OUT THE BACK TOO MUCH COMPARED TO THE HEART, AS WHAT ROBIN SAID, THAT COULD BE A NO SCRAPE ZONE !)"
I don't think I explained this clearly. The 2 windows that you can add are not in contact with the scraped bit of the reed at all (there is a bit of non-scraped reed between the base of the reed and the windows). I don't know why they should work but they do. However, as I said, I think you really need to see one to understand what I am talking about.

I agree with Robin des hautbois that the W can move naturally into a U as you scrape the reed to "weaken" it. French reeds are always scraped diagonally (never straight as I think some English people do) which is why you end up with a spine in the middle.

As Robin des hautbois says you can lengthen the whole scrape even on a completely finished reed. This is likely to lower the pitch but will not (usually) change the tonal quality of the reed.

My experience of French reeds is that there are no real "no-go" areas but there are areas where you should proceed with extreme caution. The heart is one of them (it changes the pitch), the mid point of the tip is another (it stops the high notes working). Everything else is really a question of compromise.
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