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 Re: Transposition: Is Violating the Composer's Intentions Justifiable?
Author: oliver sudden 
Date:   2009-04-10 13:19

Tony Pay -

"It's still true that a Bb clarinet in D major sounds different from a C clarinet in C major, for reasons that are CONNECTED to the reasons why D major was a forbidden key for a classical Bb clarinet.

So when and if you play the Schubert Offertorium for C clarinet, soprano and orchestra, you'd be advised to follow Schubert's directions, I'd say."

Now I can't help thinking of the Schubert Octet with those runs and scales in thirds and various jollities in D major for the Bb clarinet... please don't tell me you played them on the C!

On the other, er, hand, the movement for C doesn't seem to be on a C to make things any easier for the fingers, does it?

I can identify far too easily with your remarks on 'utility espressivo' and can assure you that it's alive and well in continental European new music ensembles ;-)

Which reminds me that there's a Sciarrino ensemble piece which I play on the A instead of the Bb because he wrote a multiphonic for full-Boehm which runs all the way through the piece. On the other hand I don't think anyone is going to be able to transpose Rebecca Saunders's A clarinet music. Or even play it on German system.

As you say, it all depends...
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Simon Aldrich 2009-04-10 15:57 
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Dileep Gangolli 2009-04-10 16:21 
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D Dow 2009-04-10 18:39 
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D Dow 2009-04-10 18:42 
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oliver sudden 2009-04-12 09:42 
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