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 Re: Transposition: Is Violating the Composer's Intentions Justifiable?
Author: mrn 
Date:   2009-04-01 16:26

graham wrote:

<<In the light of Simon Aldrich's experience, cabn I pose a specific question for Tony Pay:>>

What a great question! I'm looking forward to Tony's answer, myself.

On the A/Bb distinction (I'm just theorizing here--I'm curious what others think about this), it would seem to me that the better player you are, the less apparent (to the listener, anyway) the difference in tone between the two instruments would become, because a good player makes the instrument sound the way he/she envisions the tone mentally.

The player perhaps notices the difference between A and Bb to a greater degree because the instrument feels different and because the same fingerings create different pitches. When I first picked up an A clarinet, for example, it was very disorienting to have every fingering produce "the wrong note." I've since gotten used to the A, so this "cognitive dissonance" doesn't exist anymore for me so much. So I wonder if our perception (as players) of the tonal difference between the two instruments has as much or more to do with this difference in chroma (same fingerings produce a different note) as it does with the actual timbral tendencies of the instruments. (I also wonder if anyone really knows the answer to this question.)



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