Woodwind.OrgThe Oboe BBoardThe C4 standard

 
  BBoard              
 
 New Topic  |  Go to Top  |  Go to Topic  |  Search  |  Help/Rules  |  Smileys/Notes  |  Log In   Previous Message  |  Next Message 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique
Author: mschmidt 
Date:   2007-04-27 17:53

It would be great if someone actually understood the physics of the crow. I doubt that anyone does, at least not to my satisfaction.

First we must consider the reed as a musical instrument--a very short oboe, with a more-or-less conical bore up to where the cane starts. If the staple dominated this instrument, the pitch would be rather fixed, and overblow in octaves. But the staple is only 47/70 of the instrument, the top of the bore isn't conical, and the sides of this bore are not rigid. Given all these complications, it is remarkable that the instrument does rather consistently give a "C" despite the many variations in cane width, cane thickness, gouge, and whatever between different makers and players. I have some very vague ideas of why this might be, but they are too vague to express at this point.

The "double crow" is not two tones sounding simultaneously; otherwise it would be like an organ stop that plays two pipes simultaneously, and would be a sweet, continuous tone. Instead, it seems to be a "bi-stable system" that goes back and forth between sounding the high tone and the low tone many, many times per second. All reeds are cyclical systems, in which the reed closes by the Bernoulli effect of the air velocity, stops the air flow, reopens under the pressure of stopped air, and allows the air velocity to increase to restart the cycle. This sort of system is a "non-linear" system. For there to be a cycling between the low and high note in a crow, there has to be another non-linear system that cycles between the low and high crow.

One speculative hypothesis is that the high crow (or the middle crow in a three-tone crow) is due to the vibration of the tip; this vibration feeds energy into the back portion of the reed, which has a different, lower fundamental frequency. As the amplitude of this vibration increases, it becomes dominant, forcing the principal (tip) vibration to a lower tone. The sounding of the lower tone dissipates energy quickly, so that the amplitude of the low frequency modes of the reed dies out, and the reed returns to the vibration dominated by the tip (the higher tone).

This speculative hypothesis would have to be thrown out if a French-cut reed, that has no separate "back" portion, were to easily give a two-tone or three-tone crow. I have no experience with such reeds, so I would welcome any data on this point. If such a reed does generate double or triple crows, then we have to have a new hypothesis for the crow, one that probably involves a bistable system that is purely about intereference of pressure waves in the air inside the reed.

Anyway, this post is probably more helpful to me in sorting out my own thoughts than it is for you, but who knows.

Mike

Still an Amateur, but not really middle-aged anymore



 Reply To Message  |  Avail. Forums  |  Flat View   Newer Topic  |  Older Topic 

 Topics Author  Date
 Reed Crow Technique  new
Bobo 2007-04-25 17:33 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
mschmidt 2007-04-25 18:27 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-25 19:21 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Craig Matovich 2007-04-25 21:24 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
GMac 2007-04-25 22:06 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
cjwright 2007-04-26 03:33 
 Re: GMAC and CJWright responses  new
Craig Matovich 2007-04-26 15:34 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Bobo 2007-04-26 17:25 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
cjwright 2007-04-26 17:49 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
oboeblank 2007-04-26 17:38 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-26 18:07 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Bobo 2007-04-26 19:04 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
GMac 2007-04-26 20:54 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Craig Matovich 2007-04-26 21:09 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
The Reedmaker 2007-04-27 03:00 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
cjwright 2007-04-27 03:39 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
oboeblank 2007-04-27 05:22 
 Another good concept!  new
Craig Matovich 2007-04-27 12:54 
 Re: Another good concept!  new
oboeblank 2007-04-27 17:53 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-27 16:10 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
oboeblank 2007-04-27 17:25 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
mschmidt 2007-04-27 17:57 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-27 21:48 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
mschmidt 2007-04-27 17:53 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Bobo 2007-04-27 18:47 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
mschmidt 2007-04-27 19:53 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
mschmidt 2007-04-28 03:03 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
Craig Matovich 2007-04-28 13:43 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-28 13:52 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
jhoyla 2007-05-09 08:04 
 Re: Reed Crow Technique  new
d-oboe 2007-04-27 21:52 


 Avail. Forums  |  Need a Login? Register Here 
 User Login
 User Name:
 Password:
 Remember my login:
   
 Forgot Your Password?
Enter your email address or user name below and a new password will be sent to the email address associated with your profile.
Search Woodwind.Org

Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

The Clarinet Pages
For Sale
Put your ads for items you'd like to sell here. Free! Please, no more than two at a time - ads removed after two weeks.

 
     Copyright © Woodwind.Org, Inc. All Rights Reserved    Privacy Policy    Contact charette@woodwind.org