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 Ligature of a different sorts
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2024-05-24 03:06
Attachment:  tension-spring hose clamp.jpg (50k)

A came across these hose clamps, which seem to go by the name of spring or tension clamps and thought that in the right size, and with a clamp strength design far weaker than what I've experienced with these clamps, that they'd make nice ligatures.

Normally they are installed with a tool (or pair of plyers) that provides the leverage to open them: a force usually greater than that which can be effected with the fingers, where they are then slide on to a hose and released by the plyers and effect their clamping.

But made of the right thickness and metal it seems like a nice way to quickly get a ligature and and off.

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2024-05-24 03:34

For example: this looks interesting as a one hand easy on/off ligature:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VTMQHW9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2024-05-24 04:31

Sure, but why not just, you know, use a ligature?

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2024-05-24 04:52

J. J. wrote:

> Sure, but why not just, you know, use a ligature?

..one handed speed to grip and release a reed when making adjustments :)

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-05-24 17:04

Those clamps are standard for things like automotive use, but they are stiff spring steel and not designed to adapt to anything not completely cylindrical.

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Alexey 
Date:   2024-05-24 19:09

I use cable ties from time to time.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71qfwuXjfzL._AC_SX679_.jpg
I like it but the reed is not that secure on the mouthpiece and requires two hands to put on/take off (once you tie it down around the reed). Quicker than standard screw ligatures, but...



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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2024-05-24 20:46
Attachment:  ezhoseclamp.jpg (44k)

Julian ibiza wrote:

> Those clamps are standard for things like automotive use, but
> they are stiff spring steel and not designed to adapt to
> anything not completely cylindrical.
>

I think you fairly critique the clamp I originally attached but, for example, one with a narrow band and less gripping force would address the conical shape of a mouthpiece and the fact that grip on the reed has to have limits, like what I've attached: albeit too large, but provided as an example to make this point.

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: lydian 
Date:   2024-05-24 22:03

A much simpler design that would accomplish the same thing us the slip ring type like SYOS, Jody Jazz, Bois and others make. Just Google "ring ligature". Not my cup of tea, but would meet your unique requirements.

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Samsinite 
Date:   2024-05-24 22:47
Attachment:  ligature.jpg (265k)

If you are looking for something simple, you could always use something like the one that I have attached. It worked well for me for a number of years, though I now use a rovner ligature. I've never found that any of the ligatures that I've used to be particularly time consuming to put on though. I personally like ligatures that won't let me accidentally cause my reed to move around while I switch my mouthpiece and barrel from Bb to A, have the sound that I am looking for, and that I don't really notice while playing.



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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-05-25 00:03

Well!... I just use a small octopus......it's not unique ... it's just an octopus.

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2024-05-25 20:29

I'd like to better clarify some of the issues I wanted to touch upon in this thread.

First is my belief that once a ligature meets basic competency metrics: which I'll define as the ability to reliably secure the reed to the mouthpiece, that the differences between them are minimal--not absent--just minimal.

In fairness I can feel a difference between, say, a leather (in my case Vandoren) and metal (Optimum) ligature. And based on my philosophy you'd think I'd play the most basic ligature, and yet I play the Optimum, and that's because another factor is at play.

Still more, I respect that people, especially those who are better players than me, and subject to greater nuanced play, place greater stock in their ligatures.

I like ligatures that, without compromising the above basic competency metrics facilitate the rapid placement and removal of a reed and the Optimum, with its double threaded mechanism allows the quick clamping or release of a reed with minimal thumbscrew turns, as if the screw threads were more coarse (which all other things equal would reduce grab strength were the TPI (threads per inch) smaller (i.e. more coarse) ), but while still maintaining the holding power of relatively fine threads. For those new, the thumbscrew tightens at both places it contacts the ligature.

A second philosophy I seek to combat are the high prices of music gear, whose design often originates outside of music. I've often joked that "put a treble clef on the box, triple the price." And I get it. Clarinet accessories are not a volume sale business. Fixed costs (like patents) have to be distributed over fewer sales. My favorite example is the now lomng discontinued Rico Reed Vault, which was a food grade storage system from another vendor with Rico's packaging.

The fast reed on/off goal: which BTW is becoming less so with my greater use of synthetics that don't get sanded and played (and sanded and played...) has nonetheless found me very intrigue with the AK ligature, briefly discussed on the forum, and by Michael Lowenstern here https://youtu.be/N4Fl1sOM2Os?si=lIHTfl3_6SwGi8r7. Of course the price contradicts my second philosophy. ;)

Finally, I found my spring loaded clamp a.k.a. ligature in, of all places, the weight lifting barbell world https://tinyurl.com/bdd7dys4 but fear the device too cumbersome (or stupid looking)--or maybe it's clamping too tight, but at $1.50 a ligature before shipping, is attractive, in addition to its fast reed on/off features.

Perhaps at some concert in which a tuxedo and bowtie is the dress code I would also adorn said clamp in matching bowtie. ;)

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-05-26 00:08

I think that what all ligatures have as a base requirement, is sufficient suppleness to provide even pressure of the reed against the table. A spring steel clamp could be made to work for a ligature design, but only if it had a supple belt on the inside which it drew tight to hug the profile. Still remaining would be the matter of the tabs to provide sufficient purchase to release it (long enough to provide leverage), and the tension would be a fixed value.

A ligature with an adjustable quick release lever curving nicely down the side might find some followers..... but only because all ligature designs seem to have followers.

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Ed 
Date:   2024-05-26 01:25

a very easy and cheap ligature that works very well is velcro. Get some two sided velcro. Make sure it is long enough to go about 1.5 times around. Form it so it seems slightly small so that it will support the reed without slipping. Just press fit it in place . You can experiment with the cloth or the hook side against the reed and see which works best for you

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 Re: Ligature of a different sorts
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-05-26 13:11

I'm with you SecondTry, in that simple is beautiful and the way to go whenever possible in engineering. As it gets more complicated ,I'm always weighing up that factor for its true advantages and justification in price. While ligatures strike me as being generally overpriced for what they are, at least the AK "Quick release " as reviewed by Mike L is a nice looking bit of design for quick reed changes, so that's something of concrete value to be paying for , rather than " Amazing overtones...light sparkling on the water and pixies flitting through the daffodils!..... hurry!.... this is a limited offer and only for people who tend to believe anything!"

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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