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 Re: Yamaha 411 vs. Buffet 4052
Author: vboboe 
Date:   2005-10-07 18:48

... so really, what's the diff between intermediate Yamaha 411 and 441?

Think keywork's still the same, low B-flat (no vent) and LHF, so no fingering changes there. Yamaha info says tone-holes are undercut like on the professional (800 series) models ... but what does that do for the oboe and how is that better for intermediate student playing?

... have found 411 sounds much fuller in tone if reeds are just on the flat side of C-crow, at least for my sharp-inclined embouchure. Was told the culturally trained ears manufacturing this model prefers a lighter and brighter tone ... meaning pipe's pitch favours sharper rather than flatter ... ergo, it's more of a challenge for yours truly to lip down enough (or use flatter reeds) to play this model in North America's cultural preference for saxophone-like warmer and fuller tone.

Do under-cut tone holes automatically darken the sound in the pipe?

Now that my embouchure is beginning to settle down into a particular shape, and feels most comfortable within certain range of movement for the longest possible time, it seems more important to minimize the work i have to do to stay in pitch more readily, so if pipe construction physics contributes to that, and some oboe models are automatically warmer and darker anyway because of the way the pipe is made, that seems like an important consideration when looking for oboe of my own?

So in your opinions, which makes/models tend to be significantly warmer and darker overall, and which makes/models significantly sharper & brighter?

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vboboe 2005-10-18 04:59 
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sömeone 2005-10-08 03:41 
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vboboe 2005-10-08 07:35 
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sömeone 2005-10-08 10:48 
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vboboe 2005-10-08 18:08 
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vboboe 2005-11-14 05:13 
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ohsuzan 2005-10-08 14:09 
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Dutchy 2005-10-09 17:01 
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vboboe 2005-10-10 00:18 
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sylvangale 2005-10-09 21:49 
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ohsuzan 2005-10-10 03:19 
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vboboe 2005-10-10 06:58 
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Critter 2005-10-10 04:20 
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ohsuzan 2005-10-10 14:17 
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