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 Re: Euro vs American sound
Author: ckoboe777 
Date:   2017-07-03 23:06

oboist2 wrote:

> My point though is, that there was never 1 European sound
> before - you could easily tell a Dutch player from a Czech,
> and that a German from say Weimar, would sound completely
> different from the players in the Berlin Phi, Th the English
> also sounded very distinct as did the French, and of course
> Italian players were very different again. Nowadays the sound
> has become homogeneous as a European sound, and personally, I
> find that a great pity.
> Interestingly, your comments about European vs American used
> to sit the other way years ago....It was the American players
> that often used to have a buzz in their sound, whilst it was
> somewhat darker, and the vibrato was more pronounced as many
> European schools did not use it much ( The English and Czechs
> were the big exception here, and some German players) But you
> listen to people like Albrecht Mayer for example, he sounds
> nothing at all like Berlin players of yesteryear like Koch and
> Steins.
>

>
> Post Edited (2017-07-03 02:59)

It was the American players
> that often used to have a buzz in their sound, whilst it was
> somewhat darker

I don't think that buzziness determines the dark-bright characteristics of tone. For example, John Mack and Eugene Izotov have characteristically dark tones without being buzzy at all-what many call a "round" sound.

> Interestingly, your comments about European vs American used
> to sit the other way years ago....It was the American players
> that often used to have a buzz in their sound, whilst it was
> somewhat darker, and the vibrato was more pronounced as many
> European schools did not use it much ( The English and Czechs
> were the big exception here, and some German players)

And it is true, the Germans tended not to use much vibrato in the past. It's surprising to hear that they now characteristically have a tendency to use more vibrato than other schools of oboe playing!

>Interestingly, your comments about European vs American used
> to sit the other way years ago....It was the American players
> that often used to have a buzz in their sound

Old-school American players were buzzier than Germans, who sounded almost "round", but they were definitely a lot less buzzy than the French school the American school descended from, and they had characteristically "focused" sounds.

-ckoboe

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