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Re: newbie question: do I have a B clarinet?

Author: crazyclari
Date: 2023-10-29 14:42

Hi JD, page 30 in my book is blank????. Page 26 and 452 in my book. I own the original 1962 book. You???? Regarding facts i have provided photographs and had the instrument tested by an expert in period instruments. Tons of evidence facts examples and the clarinet. Unfortunately, your understanding of what constitutes facts is less than ideal. Having the original product in my hand is the ultimate fact😀 Unfortunately yet again your description of the pitch does not address the factual evidence at hand. This horn is in 435 tested by a world class expert. Who advised that the horn is in B. Please provide facts relevant to a 435 B clarinet. 461 in Germany still does not address this matter we are talking about 435 in America here. French pitch as I have provided independent researched documented evidence was common in America. Facts need to be relevant to provide a relevant argument.... I would note the two people who rebut this one stated that high pitch was a semitone high, not true, one said that an alto clarinet was in E because the neck was short. Both horns would have been abysmally out of tune. Great you have done some research, this is a start. Look at the subject matter at hand.
Relevant facts are what is needed... Please
Jd you have presented no relevant factual argument...
Not the way to convince me. As I have stated multiple times I am on the fence, I am simply looking at the facts...
Have a look a the current buffet site they made some crazy horns at the turn of the century. I am currently researching the St louis fair, Buffet showed an enormous number of crazy horns. If you want I can send through some links. jdbassplayer wrote:

> There is no doubt that there were B natural clarinets in the
> classical era, but by the late romantic/modern era Mozart's
> operas were transposed for A clarinet.
>
> This 1881 version of Idomeneo utilizes A clarinets in place of
> the 2 B clarinets.
>
> https://imslp.org/wiki/Idomeneo,_K.366_(Mozart,_Wolfgang_Amadeus)
>
> Likewise this 1881 version of Così fan tutte also uses only
> Bb, A and C clarinets.
>
> https://imslp.org/wiki/Cos%C3%AC_fan_tutte%2C_K.588_(Mozart%2C_Wolfgang_Amadeus)
>
>
> Now if someone could find an original part in B natural ("H")
> from the late 1800s or early 1900s that would be good proof,
> but as far as we can tell these parts were played on the more
> common sizes of clarinet at the time.
>
> Regarding A=452 being the maximum pitch that Buffet produced,
> This Buffet publication lists A=455, so that much be incorrect
> (page 30):
>
> https://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/920
>
> And we do know Buffet built instruments MUCH higher. Baritone
> saxophone specialist Andrew Hardo has a Buffet bari that plays
> almost exactly a semitone sharp:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVmT7rObFY&t=15s
>
> Also worth noting that in Austria, high pitch was A=461.5 until
> the 1960s! This shows that higher pitches than A=452hz not only
> existed in Europe but also stayed around for a long time.
>
> https://rjmartz.com/horns/austrian-high-tuning/
>
> It's entirely possible that some clarinet specialist from the
> late Romantic era or Modern era commissioned a B natural
> clarinet to play Mozart as originally intended, but we just
> don't have any evidence for it. I'm happy to be proven wrong
> but I find it hard to believe that there are a dozen or so B
> natural clarinets out there with a few more popping up every
> year without any documentation. Surely if they were that
> popular some company would have listed them in a catalog.
> Selmer listed C bass clarinets in several of their catalogs and
> according to Douglas Pipher they sold a grand total of.. 3...
>
> -JDbassplayer

Post Edited (2023-11-01 06:56)

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