Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2023-10-29 21:57
>Having the original product in my hand is the ultimate fact😀
>Hi JD regarding the high pitch saxophone. If I took your argument if a horn exist it
>is factual.... Your processing of the available information confirms what I am
>saying . I have the horn in my hands. You provide no pitch for the saxophone, as
>a factual argument... (No facts there)
These two statements are contradictory... There's a pitch listed right in the video, If you want a pitch in the standard format that would be A=~466Hz. Much higher than A=452Hz. You can't say that your instrument is a "fact" but someone else's instrument (also verified by an expert, it would be very hard to argue that Andrew is not a bari sax specialist) is not. Facts are still facts even if you don't agree with them...
You are correct that it is a Carl Fischer publication, not a Buffet Paris publication. Carl Fischer was the largest US distributor for Buffet clarinets though. This shows that Buffet clarinets would have been made to A=455Hz. I am happy to admit that I made an error, but the underlying point still stands.
>Your argument does not address a clarinet in 435 (466) As mentioned Buffet did
>not make clarinets in the pitch you are talking about......A very poor argument...
The HP bari shows otherwise. Again, facts are still facts even if you don't agree with them.
>This horn is in 435 tested by a world class expert. Who advised that the horn is
>in B.
Okay, but what about the key that the maker originally intended? A Bb clarinet at A=~461 would be fundamentally the same as a B natural clarinet at A=435Hz. The question is, what is more likely to occur? We know there were instruments tuned to A=461.5Hz, it's strange to find one in America yes but at least we know they must have existed somewhere in the world. A late Romantic or Modern B natural clarinet? We do not have any direct evidence at this time. I don't doubt you in the slightest that your clarinet plays as a B natural clarinet at A=435Hz, but we do not have any documentation that proves that that is the original key the maker intended.
>There are many post on the bb of people having clarinets in b made to play the
>works as mentioned.
These are period clarinets though. All of the claimed original B natural clarinets are either Albert system or Boehm system. it is much easier to make a custom period clarinet than to make an instrument with modern key work. This also doesn't take into account the fact that the movement to play pieces in historically accurate instruments is more of a recent phenomenon.
>The problem is you are being proven wrong and you are not happy about it😀
Being condescending and saying "facts" does not make your argument better. I have tried to be polite and am always happy to discuss the history of clarinets, but taunting is just childish.
As stated before, I am happy to be proven wrong and I am literally paying $50 to the first person to do so. Let me repeat that, am literally paying money for someone to prove me wrong! Proving they exist would mean I could start hunting for them and eventually restore some, as finding, restoring and playing rare clarinets is my passion. Until then, my concern is that people will try to sell HP Bb clairnets as "B natural" clarinets which I personally feel is unethical when we don't even have any direct evidence for there existence in the late Romantic/Modern era.
In any case, I think this discussion has run its course. If you ever come across some direct evidence like a catalog, invoice or a piece of music that can be accurately dated please send it my way and collect your $50. Until then, we have no direct documentation of B natural clarinets in the late Romantic/Modern era.
-JDbassplayer
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