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 Re: If double lip embouchure is so good then..
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2023-06-24 07:02

Paul Aviles wrote:

> Ok, I feel a need to point out that this is a matter of telling
> yourself that this is not biting.
>
>
> If one would be capable of pushing up only on the front teeth
> you might have a point. However, despite there being no added
> jaw pressure via your jaw muscles, what is happening in the
> described "pushing up" is that you ARE squeezing more of the
> reed/mouthpiece by shoving more of it between your teeth.
>
>
>
> A rose by any other name...............
>
>
>
>
> ............Paul Aviles
>

Hi Paul:

I completely agree that when the mouth opening doesn't change in size, but ever more of the mouthpiece is placed into it by even the gentle upward pressure of the right thumb, that if we could measure our mouth's pressure on the mouthpiece it would simply have to increase by such action.

To conclude otherwise defies science.

Where people though may disagree with the idea of your reference to this being biting, and I'll be the first to agree that it's semantics, is the idea that this upper pressure by the thumb simply causes a slight increase in our mouth's snug against the mouthpiece, rather than the increased jaw pressure one might associate with biting: a process where the mouth opening gets smaller while the mouthpiece tends to stay where it is (or maybe more of it is inserted into the mouth as well.)

Granted, greater pressure against the mouthpiece by the mouth, whether in the form of jaw muscle pressure, or sticking more mouthpiece in the mouth, or both all increase pressure against the mouthpiece and reed, but its subtleness perhaps lies outside the more active process of jaw clamping we associate with biting, like when chewing food.

As Tom P cites, Tom Ridenour talks of brining the mouthpiece to the mouth, never the mouth to the mouthpiece, and refers to it as snugging.

I know, potato, "potahto," but I think there is some difference.

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