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Author: alfonso
Date: 2010-12-19 06:29
The Gulf Coast Symphony (community symphony in Ft Myers) is doing Shostakovich 6 & Death and Transfiguration next concert (besides Mendelssohn Violin Concerto). The Bass Clarinet player (a local surgeon) can't read bass clef so I was asked to transpose the parts (I'm the principal Violist for 16 years). I've used Sibelius for years so I'm starting the process but is there any other source for these parts, and if not then when I finish them would anyone be interested in them because I'll never need them again..
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-12-19 13:28
Just don't forget that when a bass clarinet part is written in the bass clef it's written in the octave it sounds, not an octave lower as when it's written in the treble clef only. That means when the composer then goes to the treble clef if still has to sound in the octave it's written in. Therefore when it goes into the treble clef it has to be played an octave higher then it's written so it will sound right. Otherwise it will actually sound an octave to low. Just keep that in mind. The Strauss edition is always in the bass clef, going to the treble clef in a few places. The Shostakovich will depend on what edition you have, some are in the treble clef and some in the bass clef as the Strauss, the same rule applies. Good luck, ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: alfonso
Date: 2010-12-19 14:36
I don't think either of these parts goes from Bb to A, I haven't seen it marked. Possibly a different edition that does? The Shostakovich goes very high, up to B5.
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2010-12-19 15:32
I have the bass clarinet part for Death and Transfiguration transposed into treble clef.
If you still need it, let me know and I will scan it and email it to you.
Anyone else who would like this part can do the same thing.
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Simon Aldrich
Clarinet Faculty - McGill University
Principal Clarinet - Orchestre Metropolitain de Montreal
Principal Clarinet - Orchestre de l'Opera de Montreal
Artistic Director - Jeffery Summer Concerts
Clarinet - Nouvel Ensemble Moderne
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Author: alfonso
Date: 2010-12-22 05:06
I've finished death and transfiguration in Sibelius.. I think it is correct. If anyone would mind checking it or needing a copy here is a link to the pdf.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15289287/Death%20and%20Transfiguration%20Bass%20Clar.pdf
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Author: fargus
Date: 2010-12-24 23:38
I'd like a copy of the Shostakovich if possible. Thanks!
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Author: mozartklar
Date: 2013-03-13 15:09
Does anyone know where I could find a transposed bass clarinet part for Prokofiev 5th Symphony?
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Author: davyd
Date: 2013-03-14 20:50
I am probably going to regret asking this, but here goes anyway: where does Copyright Law stand on the issue of transposed parts? To what extent does creating a transposed part of something that's under copyright infringe on the copyright? Does it make a difference if the piece is out of print?
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-03-16 12:35
I've been substituting the 1st bassoon all these years at school. Recently, I'm directly reading the bassoon score of Poet and Peasant by Suppe for our inter-school competition, despite the fact that I'm don't even play the piano! And I'm gonna do the same thing during our inter-school competition on 25/31!
Back to the point, maybe the software Finale Songwriter can help him. Just copy the bassoon score with the software and change the instrument to bass clarinet. And there you go!
Josh
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Author: GeorgeL ★2017
Date: 2013-03-16 15:02
"Where does Copyright Law stand on the issue of transposed parts?" It is an unauthorized transcription of a copyrighted work.
"To what extent does creating a transposed part of something that's under copyright infringe on the copyright?" 100%
"Does it make a difference if the piece is out of print?" No. The significant issues is whether the copyright has expired.
However, consider that if you transposed the part while playing from the original, there is no copyright violation. As long as you also have a legitimate copy of the music, it is almost a certainty that nobody will come chasing after you for transcribing the music into a different key. Of course, for total CYA, you could always contact the publisher and ask for permission. I assume it would be granted (if you mark the copy as copyrighted).
I would consider what you are doing (and I have done) to be less of a risk in terms of violating copyright than copying the one bass clarinet part that came with the music so two bass clarinetists would have it in their own folders. And that is something that is probably happening in a great many bands.
George Libman
Very retired and inactive IP lawyer.
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Author: Brittainclarinet
Date: 2014-03-05 20:11
I am playing this part this Thursday and Sunday. I would really appreciate a treble clef part if you still have it!
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2014-03-05 22:24
Best solution of all is to bite the bullet and learn to read bass clef. If I could do it, anyone can!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-05 17:46
If you want me to email you copies of the bass clarinet part of "Tod und Verklärung" in treble clef (five pages), then do let me know. But please excuse the handwriting as I was up into the small hours writing it out with only a few hours to spare before the morning rehearsal and the concert that evening.
I'll bung it on my Facebook page as well, so have a look there for it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2014-03-05 22:55)
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Author: Ed Lowry
Date: 2014-03-06 03:05
I know that in general, if a work was produced before 1923, it is no longer protected by copyright. Yet I have many pieces written in the 1800s with copyrights attached, e.g. Schumann Fantasiestucke (Verlag, copyright 1986), Weber, 7 Variations (Peters, copyright 1964) just to name two.
Am I violating US copyright law by making xerox copies and distributing them? Or, for that matter, playing them in public without permission of the copyright "owner"? Perhaps I need to cross out all editing done by the publisher, and then copy it?
On a related, but different question, what about works produced behind the "Iron Curtain" which, if I understand correctly, could not be copyrighted under US laws for many years? Can I reproduce and play them with impunity, at least in the US?
.... had I paid more attention in my patents and copyright law school classes, I might know the answers to these questions ... if there are any certain answers!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-06 11:54
The special parts version has left those ridiculous enharmonic equivalents in (I changed a few in my hand-scrawled copy) - in figure D, why have Gx and A# there when a simple A natural and Bb (already in the key signature) will suffice? You haven't got the rest of the chord there anyway.
Strauss likes to keep people on their guard and throws a lot of these things in. Seems he's been doing this since his early days - there's a tied C natural turning into a B# in the Serenade in Eb in the 1st clarinet part which may be fitting with the harmony in a short score, but in a transposed full score or single instrumental part it's not necessary.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2014-03-06 16:58)
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2014-03-06 17:19
On a related, but different question, what about works produced behind the "Iron Curtain" which, if I understand correctly, could not be copyrighted under US laws for many years? Can I reproduce and play them with impunity, at least in the US?
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No. Look up the GATT Treaty and the recent Supreme Court decision regarding restored copyrights.
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