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Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test

Author: bstutsman  Date:   2007-08-21 04:59 Bmcgar, First off, I will gently remind you that we are talking about kids, not adults. I would have to say, “Yes”, to your first question. If you refuse a pre-interview drug test, it seems that you ARE more committed to not taking a drug test than you are to getting the job. It seems obvious where your commitment is. But that’s an adult situation, not a kid situation. You, like many other contributors here, seem intent on turning this into a discussion on civil rights. But the real point of all this is to help kids who have problems. Talking about individual rights, which are certainly important, ducks the real issue of helping kids get and stay off drugs. Bmcgar, you put words in my mouth with, “If you don’t take drugs, you have nothing to worry about, so accept the test.” Actually, I don’t mind that because the quotation makes great sense as Fred has mentioned above. Consider driving tests. We submit to them even though we have not had an accident or even been shown to be bad drivers. Are these driving tests also a violation of personal freedom? Bmcgar: “This type of thing is flirting with fascism, with all its mashed up logic.” This line is clearly in the realm of attacking the messenger, if you cannot defeat the message. As for other students falling off of chairs, I imagine there were a few. However, those others were able to get up and get back on their chairs. The student I mentioned could not even lift his head from the floor. You talk about working with substance *abusers* and try to make some kind of distinction between them and substance *users*. I’m not sure what you mean by that. I hope you are not saying that narcotics used in “moderation” are ok. As for the substance abusers that you work with, something brought them to you for help. Was it an overdose or was it, perhaps, a drug test that brought out a small problem before it became a major one? There are other side issues in all this that haven’t been discussed. One is the vulnerability school districts have now to all kinds of litigation. Sometimes they are just trying to protect themselves. Another issue is the unduly high cost of the tests. You would think with economy of scale, the cost would be considerably less. Bmcgar, perhaps we should just pack it in and go into the drug testing business.

Topics	Author	Date
Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	GBK	2007-07-31 12:06
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-07-31 13:26
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	clarinetwife	2007-07-31 14:51
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	SVClarinet09	2007-07-31 15:37
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	marzi	2007-07-31 15:42
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-07-31 15:58
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	clarinetwife	2007-07-31 16:17
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	larryb	2007-07-31 17:15
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	gwie	2007-07-31 17:20
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bmcgar	2007-07-31 17:40
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	GBK	2007-07-31 17:44
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	clarinetwife	2007-07-31 17:54
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	sfalexi	2007-07-31 18:03
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	kev182	2007-07-31 18:13
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Jack Kissinger	2007-07-31 18:33
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-07-31 18:55
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	EEBaum	2007-07-31 18:44
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-07-31 19:17
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-07-31 19:27
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Tim P	2007-07-31 20:09
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Tony Beck	2007-07-31 20:32
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	DavidBlumberg	2007-07-31 20:28
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bmcgar	2007-07-31 20:42
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-07-31 20:53
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	EEBaum	2007-08-01 07:44
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	gwie	2007-08-01 08:26
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	joeyscl	2007-08-02 21:43
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Fred	2007-08-04 03:08
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-04 03:57
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	MichaelR	2007-08-04 14:21
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bmcgar	2007-08-04 03:20
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-08-04 04:14
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-08-04 12:33
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Fred	2007-08-04 15:39
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-04 17:03
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Fred	2007-08-04 19:32
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-08-04 22:00
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Mark Charette	2007-08-04 22:34
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	DavidBlumberg	2007-08-04 22:42
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Michael E. Shultz	2007-08-04 23:00
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-04 23:28
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-08-04 23:13
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	GBK	2007-08-05 07:03
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-08-05 15:50
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Michael E. Shultz	2007-08-05 21:17
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	DavidBlumberg	2007-08-06 00:51
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bstutsman	2007-08-07 20:57
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bmcgar	2007-08-21 03:57
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bstutsman	2007-08-21 04:59
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Mark Charette	2007-08-21 11:10
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dee	2007-08-26 16:08
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	davyd	2007-08-21 02:25
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	C2thew	2007-08-21 05:08
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Mark Charette	2007-08-21 11:12
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-21 07:16
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bstutsman	2007-08-29 05:22
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-29 23:19
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Lelia Loban	2007-08-26 21:17
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-08-26 21:37
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	tictactux	2007-08-26 21:49
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Pam H.	2007-08-28 02:37
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	GBK	2007-08-28 02:52
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ski	2007-08-28 02:56
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Pam H.	2007-08-28 22:37
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	jane84	2007-08-29 19:36
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Wayne	2007-08-29 20:25
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	bstutsman	2007-08-29 21:06
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Dano	2007-08-29 21:00
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	Ed Granger	2007-08-29 23:04
Re: Want to play in HS band? Pass a drug test  new	dfh	2007-08-30 02:49

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