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 Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 18:43

Okay, we've had the "material battle" again. Now, I made two recordings of the same piece (I hope you'll agree with me so far).
- What material is each clarinet made of?
- Bonus question: what material are the keys plated with?
- Bonus question 2: what mpc? what reed?

(I beg you not to comment on the various glitches and timing issues - I'm well aware of them. Just listen to the ring)

[ the quiz has ended - links and files removed --Ben ]

(poll ends this evening - I don't have unlimited bandwidth)

--
Ben

Post Edited (2006-11-30 05:42)

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Danny Boy 
Date:   2006-11-29 18:46

You were wearing a blue jumper when you recorded them...



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 18:48

Danny Boy wrote:

> You were wearing a blue jumper when you recorded them...

It's a (blue) sweater and jeans. But I award you that point. :)

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: seafaris 
Date:   2006-11-29 18:57

I don'tknow what the material etc is, but I thought that sample one had a more pleasing sound, and was played better. Sample 2 was to bright for my taste.

...Jim

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: jmcgann 
Date:   2006-11-29 19:12

Sample #1: Feb. 1987 R13; custom mouthpiece, Rue LePic #3, inverted trad. lig, Shure sm57 mic, recorded approx. 2pm on a Thursday, between 60-70º F, relative humidity 36% in a neutral European country.


Sample #2: Aug. 2005 Selmer Prelude (hard rubber); 5RVlyre, Mitchell Lurie #3, Bonade lig, Neumann KM 184 mic recorded approx 2:20 pm on a Thursday
between 60-70º F, relative humidity 36% in a neutral European country.


How'd I do? :)

www.johnmcgann.com

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 19:22

They're both clarinets.

How'd I do?

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 19:22

jmcgann,

...close. But not quite there yet. The reed on #2 is close, tho'. [wink]

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 19:23

David,

<teacher mode>
you're doing great! Fantastic! Now let's see if we can get a tone beside the hiss!
< />

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: susieray 
Date:   2006-11-29 19:24



Um gosh....it's really hard to tell, but my guess is #1 is metal and #2 is resonite.....Or it could be the same clarinet in both samples but with different mouthpieces/reeds.....Or maybe you are standing on your head in one and not the other...I dunno......I give up

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: EuGeneSee 
Date:   2006-11-29 19:24

Gotcha, David!! #2 was an accordian with the clarinet stop pulled.

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 19:29

<twiddles fingers>

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: susieray 
Date:   2006-11-29 19:52

Ben, you didn't really expect to get a SERIOUS answer from anyone???


[happy]

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2006-11-29 19:58

I prefer the sound of #2.

I'll offer you $40, only if the shipping is free [wink] ...GBK

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 20:04

Susieray,

hmm, some people at least tried. :)

Guess I should've hired a pro to perform. <hangs head>

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: larryb 
Date:   2006-11-29 20:10

Same clarinet, #1 played on the Swiss side of the Bahnhof in Basel; #2 played on the German side at a bus stop.

Is it evening there yet?



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: larryb 
Date:   2006-11-29 20:10

Same clarinet, #1 played on the Swiss side of the Bahnhof in Basel; #2 played on the German side at a bus stop.

Is it evening there yet?



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Jhall 
Date:   2006-11-29 20:13

#1 Is played on a plastic clarinet

#2 Is played on a wood clarinet

If I passed the quiz, I want a note to my mother explaining this makes up for failing Bowling (don't ask).

John

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2006-11-29 21:16

I would say #2 is wood...

David Dow

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: SVClarinet09 
Date:   2006-11-29 21:24


#1- Selmer Prelude or Ridenour Lyrique- Hard Rubber-Nickel Keys-Vandoren B45- Vandoren V12 Strength 3-Rovner Dark

#2- Buffet R13-Wood- Silver Plated-Fobes Cicero-Vandoren Traditional Strength 3.5- BG Traditional



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: David Peacham 
Date:   2006-11-29 21:54

/*211 (wooden with plastic bell) B and a 251 (plastic with wooden barrel/bell) */

var
clar : array [1 .. 2] of Clarinet;
begin
clar[1] := 251;
clar[2] := 211;
end.

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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.

To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.


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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: jmcgann 
Date:   2006-11-29 22:09

It's late in Zurich!

www.johnmcgann.com

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-29 22:13

<Spock, doing the eyebrow>
Fascinating...

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: hans 
Date:   2006-11-29 22:21

tictactux,

Material aside, and assuming ceteris paribus (wrt reed and mouthpiece), the first clarinet is of a better quality or in better condition that the second. Or maybe you were trying harder when you played #1 :-)

Both clarinets were made from synthetic material (i.e., not wood) with nickel plated keys.

Keep #1, sell #2.

Hans

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: FDF 
Date:   2006-11-29 22:53

The tone was essentially the same. However, the recordings differed.

Oh, and both sounded like clarinets.

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Koo Young Chung 
Date:   2006-11-29 23:14

#1: wood

#2: plastic

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: bob49t 
Date:   2006-11-30 00:09

Weird.....I got solo, then duet, then trio all overlaid and stepped....how did that happen.........anyway, through the sound distortion on my computer, I'd say think they're the same set up....
1, playing into the mike, 2, away form it.

and I think your cat memorised it really well for the third playing.

and the prize is................................?

Well done Ben.......... lightened my night!

BobT

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2006-11-30 01:32

Very interesting. We need more stuff like this on the board.

I would only say that sample two sounded more even in timbre. The chalameau seems better able to project in the second sample.

Good rythm.


...............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: BassClarinet21 
Date:   2006-11-30 01:42

Sorry I couldn't listen to it because I use Real player.

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: SVClarinet09 
Date:   2006-11-30 02:42

BassClarinet21 wrote:

> Sorry I couldn't listen to it because I use Real player.

real player should be able to play MP3 anything just about can play MP3



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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-30 06:00

Okay, I declare the quiz ended and here is the solution:

#1 is a metal Rauber/Montreux (my "Swiss Army Clarinet") with a Mitchell Lurie Premium #2 mouthpiece and a ML #3.5 (regular) reed and a Rovner Dark ligature. The keys are not silver, I guess they're either chromed or nickel. The pads are home-made EVA "foam rubber" pads. I was wearing a blue sweater with a grease spot and blue jeans.

#2 is - the very same setup, including reed and all. Sorry to fool you. [tongue]

The only difference between #1 and #2 is that in #1 my laptop (whose built-in mic I used) sat on the sofa while I was playing standing and in #2 I was sitting and the laptop was on the table.

My observation:
- We see and hear a lot of things that we want to see and hear. Expectations might skew our observations. Many were assuming two different setups, and many heard them.
- Recording setup is crucial. No wonder a lot of time is spent in studios for post-recording treatment.
- Metal doesn't necessarily sound different than wood or hard rubber. It can be confused with other materials, and I'd expect the same with hard rubber or plastic.
- I don't like playing while sitting. I prefer standing if possible.

Thank you all for participating. It was fun, wasn't it?

--
Ben

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2006-11-30 06:58

No fair.

You didn't tell us that the blue sweater had a grease spot.

Everyone knows how grease will randomly reflect the sound....GBK

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: bob49t 
Date:   2006-11-30 07:04

Glad to be the nearest........I just didn't get the oxfam fashion. .. and yes I agree...many variables that skew the perception. So we can't really trust anything that we hear??

BobT

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2006-11-30 11:02

Good point.


............Paul Aviles

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: Jhall 
Date:   2006-11-30 12:16

So, I failed this quiz AND bowling? I'm going back to practicing my C Melody Sax!

John

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: jmcgann 
Date:   2006-11-30 13:55

"Believe half of what you see, son, and none of what you hear"- Marvin Gaye

www.johnmcgann.com

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 Re: Quiz time!
Author: susieray 
Date:   2006-11-30 14:04


...well I was right about #1 being metal anyway.....

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