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 Re: Starting year 3, now gouging and shaping....
Author: cjwright 
Date:   2009-08-03 23:11

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The more you scrape on the outside the more it weakens the internal structure? That logic just doesn't hold up.

The gouge contributes to the structure of the reed, but the scrape is more important. Why do you think machine-made reeds are so bad? They're gouged just like handmade reeds, but the exterior is botched. Clearly the exterior structure is more important than the interior structure.


It does indeed hold up. Machine made reeds are so bad because they scrape out the structure of the reed, including the bark off of the rails, they provide no definition, they don't get the corners thin enough, and they can't properly define the windows. If you scrape too much bark off of the reed, then you're collapsing the internal structure of the opening of the reed.

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Cooper, no matter how confident you are that a certain gouger is all wrong and can't produce good reeds, I assure you there's an oboist somewhere making good reeds on that gouge.


Yes, making good reeds for them.

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Yes, the gouge effects all these things and more. But it doesn't control any of these things. It is just one of many factors.


It can severely cripple these, to the point that you're giving up stability or tone to get one thing or another.

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I've done some work on gougers in the past, but I no longer do any of that. It doesn't really interest me. I hope you're not implying that one has to build gougers to form an opinion on them, because that would be absurd


How much is "some"? Have you reground blades? Used single and double radius machines? For not being interesting in the machines, you certainly seem to think you know a lot about it.

I'm not saying someone has to build gougers, but until you have worked with enough different gouging machines, ground blades and experimented with different curves, enough to know the full capabilities of what a gouge can and can not do, then I don't think you're qualified to instruct others.

You should also note that your opinions regarding the unimportance of the gouge go against close to 100 years of the American school of oboe knowledge, dating back as far as Tabuteau, Mack, de Lancie, and their pupils as well.

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