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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-08-18 11:12
Hi
My bass clarinet ligature and my backup broke. Both were Vandorem Masters. I don't really follow this so not sure what is available now. The ones I considered seems discontinued and impossible to find anymore.
I'm looking for a metal ligature, preferably with two screws at the top. I know the Bonade and I'm not interested in that one. The Vandoren Masters only had the problem that it was a bit flimsy (but not bad).
Vandoren has a new model with one screw which I will consider if it's really well made, anyone tried it? It looks a bit flimsy too. I will also consider other (non-metal) ligature if they can be tightened hard like a good metal ligature.
Thanks
Post Edited (2014-08-18 11:15)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-08-18 14:42
Thanks, I'll look into those.
Ben, did you try the Rico H? How flimsy (or not) is it when tightened really hard, for example? Do the threads seem durable?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-08-18 15:56
I don't spend much time on bass but I've used the Optimum and the Vandoren Leather (with the metal plate) to some degree of success. Both can be really cranked down.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Brad Behn
Date: 2014-08-18 17:54
I like Ishimori Woodstone ligatures. They are strong, beautifully made, metal (gold plate or solid silver), and two screw inverted. The hold solidly when cranked. Best ligature on the market in my opinion.
Brad Behn
http://www.clarinetmouthpiece.com
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Author: William
Date: 2014-08-18 18:43
I currently use the Vandoran Optimum bass clarinet lig with the parallel rail insert. Durable, easy to adjust and works much the same as a Bonade invert. Works well on my Grabner CX_BS and Pomarico crystal "jazz" models. My best bass clarinet lig is my vintage Winslow, but it is hard to adjust and slips too easily. It does lend a ton of resonance to the bass sound, especially in the low register, but with the right reed, my Vandy Optimum is quite good. That's all I've got this am, my friend..........
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Author: musica
Date: 2014-08-18 19:19
Anyone tried the Ishimori leather
with insert? Comments?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-08-18 20:31
no, didn't try the H, I'm firmly on Rovners, but if it had to be a metal lig, this would be a candidate.
Why on earth do you want to clamp the reed down this hard?
Edit: try a hose clamp. These can be fastened really really hard. :-)
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Ben
Post Edited (2014-08-18 20:34)
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2014-08-18 22:06
I use a Vandoren Optimum on my Yamaha bass and IMO it is better than the Masters. I use a Rovner Versa on my Foag German bass and it sounded even better.
I recommend the Rovner ligs with metal reed cradles, especially the Versa and Versa X. They have a broad but clear response.
Josh
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-08-18 22:59
Thanks.
I already have a Vandoren Optimum.
I've tried a few Rovners though not that particular model and I also have a BG that is similar. In addition to the non-metal, I also prefer a wing type screw head and not a textured head (forgot the English names for those).
I guess what I want is pretty specific... but actually it is the most regular and simple thing... it seems that everyone is trying to make something supposedly unique and sophisiticated.
>> Why on earth do you want to clamp the reed down this hard? <<
I don't necessarily want to, or need to, but I want it to be durable and I prefer to tighten it relatively hard.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-08-18 23:08
Has anyone tried the Vandoren M/O ligatures? It also looks like there's "regular" one and one that fits their new Masters mouthpieces... does anyone know what's the difference?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2014-08-19 01:04
I sort of like the Bois single-ring ligatures, especially the new metal version -- as long as they fit the mouthpiece, which is not always the case. To work properly they have to slide about midway down the bark portion of the reed (or just a bit short of halfway), not much more or less than that.
They are very convenient to use and seem to sound and feel about as good as anything I've tried (granted there are many ligs I haven't tried).
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-08-19 07:12
Actually the M/O is just flexible in what it can accommodate because it is 'pouch like' in it's design. I just placed mine on a standard B45.....no problem. I can't imagine why there would be a need for another type of M/O.
..........Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2014-08-19 14:57)
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Author: JuanMorales
Date: 2014-08-19 08:30
the one made for specifically for masters is because the new master mouthpieces only work with the M/O ligature and its practically the only ligature it can use its actually a pretty good ligature and tightens very well
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-08-19 15:17
The reason a 'standard' ligature doesn't work (typical metal band that is as wide as the "lines of ligature" all around) is because you have to make the decision when fabricating at what angle the ends will come together (even with two screw which help compensate for angle differences there is a practical limit) and what the average minimum and maximum clamping size needs to be (ever take a basic metal ligature and smooth it out to see what that looks like?). The reason the Opitmum does NOT work, is because it is a thick metal band all around despite being a single screw design.
On a Masters I've successfully used ALL Rovners, ALL BGs, the Floating Rail Ligature, and any of the 'string' types as well, Vandoren Klassik, Ventos Bambu......etc.
The M/O ligature design is clever, because it is a single screw inverted design where the 'frame' comes to a single point at the screw....it self adjusts to whatever the shape of the mouthpiece is. It still needs to be an 'average' size however (Bb mouthpiece version) won't fit an alto clarinet mouthpiece or an Otto Link style saxophone mouthpiece.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2014-08-19 19:02
Everyone has a different preference. There is no one that is best for everyone. I use a Rovner, I've changed models a few times when i found one I liked better than the one I was using. People change. Try as many models and makes as you can. Just because someone sounds good on one doesn't mean you will.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-08-20 10:44
>> it is a single screw inverted design where the 'frame' comes to a single point at the screw.... <<
Looks like it's maybe better shaped but more or less similar to other ligatures like the BG, which I have and my problem with it is that it's a little slippery and pretty flimsy.
>> Try as many models and makes as you can. Just because someone sounds good on one doesn't mean you will. <<
Yes, though this isn't about sound. It's about trying to find a specific but very basic physical design of a ligature that doesn't seem to be made anymore by anyone. I have a few other ligatures and can use any of them but I'm trying to find one without the (physical) compromises that I don't like.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2014-08-20 16:35
"In the beginning" ligature referred to string. How to put pressure on the reed to hold it in place is a problem that has seen many devices. Whether the Lay of the mouthpiece is flat or concave or, god forbid, convex enters the picture. One could assume that a 2-band ligature solved the problem presented by a convex Lay.....and a single band one a concave Lay. Perhaps sometimes our choice of ligature solves a Lay problem we didn't know we had. I was not aware of the new Bois until Dave mentioned. Maybe next Bois will introduce their product with different I.D. dimensions. I have used square cross section "rubber" rings used by Target Pharmacy.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-08-20 16:49
Oh, you know it never occurred to me to be specific about the BG reference. I refer to the soft bodied BG ligatures which are GREAT. I think you are thinking of the metal BG ligatures which NEVER worked for me. For some odd reason the BG metal ligature is asymmetric, with more material on the vamp side of the ligature (a lop sided hammock). The M/O makes sense, it is symmetric. And for some reason it is one of the only ligatures that even firmly held (and I mean firm WITHOUT any wiggling at all) the Legere reeds on my Masters (you do have to lightly score the interior to prevent 'ligature creep' with the Legere).
..............Paul Aviles
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