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 Silverstein flaw
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2018-03-15 01:25

In another post I saw this link for the Silverstein anti-slip pad:

https://www.silversteinworks.com/product/antislip-pad/

Silverstein ligatures are flawed, in that they slip off the mouthpiece extremely easily. I say flawed, because a basic level of stability must be a requirement for any usable ligature. It's impossible to change instruments without the Silverstein ligature moving and even the slightest accidental nudge can make the whole ligature pop out of place, which can be disastrous during a performance. So after having paid a large amount of money for the flawed ligature, they now want to charge more money for a fix to the design flaw. I don't think this would be acceptable sales practice for most other products.

Does anybody else feel that Silverstein should at least offer the antislip pad for free with any ligature purchase?

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: jonathan.wallaceadams 
Date:   2018-03-15 01:36

The pad comes with every "T" model Ligature for no extra cost

Just an aspiring student.
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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2018-03-15 01:49

I didn't realise that. I've only ever tried their A model ligatures, where slipping is a big problem.

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2018-03-15 02:25

The pads should come with every ligature they sell. But how well do they work? I still prefer BG Duo, Ishimori metal and the French Ligaphone ligatures partly because they hold tight and don't slip and don't need any "after-market" attachment.

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: nellsonic 
Date:   2018-03-15 08:27

Slippage can be an issue, but IF the sizing of the ligature is correct (there are options) and IF you really tighten it down as they suggest it should only be a problem on quick changes between the Bb and A instruments.

As long as I'm not playing a orchestral gig I don't have a problem, even with slippery Legere reeds. I have the anti-slip pad (it came with the newer ligature I bought at NAMM) but I haven't stuck it on and probably won't. I do understand the frustration though....

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Mojo 
Date:   2018-03-15 17:28

I worked on a tenor sax mouthpiece yesterday for a player that had a couple of V’s filed into the top of the body. He said it was so his Silverstein ligature did not slip.

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Post Edited (2018-03-15 17:29)

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2018-03-15 17:43

Nellsonic, really tightening it down changes how the reed responds. Whether that's good or bad can depend on the reed, but the whole point of using something that expensive and with that extravagant a configuration is that you're really picky about how it feels when you play. There are alternatives to swapping the mouthpiece. One is to swap the barrel with the mouthpiece, and the other is to have different mouthpieces on A and Bb, which it looks like Wenzel F. does at least some of the time. But if swapping the mouthpiece by itself is a requirement for someone, then the Silversteins are going to be a disaster waiting to happen, for sure.

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Simon Aldrich 
Date:   2018-03-15 20:39

For several reasons, the Silverstein Cryo 4 is the best ligature I have tried to date (particularly in orchestra). Since one cannot grab the Silverstein and mouthpiece together for clarinet switches, I have come up with a solution that works well. With a Dremel I sand down the mpc cork until I can remove the mpc from the barrel, holding the mpc with my right-hand thumb and 1st finger below the ligature.
I remove a surprisingly small amount of cork for this to work.
I would suggest sanding the cork incrementally and testing the mpc in the barrel regularly. If you remove too much cork, the mpc will wobble in the barrel socket.

Simon

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-03-15 22:41

WAIT!!!!

The issue with your Silverstein slipping has everything to do with you have a Mouthpiece that is a "Small" ligature size needed, and you must have a Medium size one. Get the small size (they maybe can exchange it) and it won't slip!

Way to tell is that if you see a lot of the thread after "tightening" the ligature, and the top cord can move "AT ALL", the ligature is too large for your Mouthpiece.

I help them test new products.

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Post Edited (2018-03-16 01:29)

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-03-15 22:44

I make sure that the pointy screw is horizontal to the floor, then I grip the Ligature with my right thumb, 1st finger at top of ligature, middle finger is up, and 3rd finger at the bottom of the ligature. Squeeze and it comes off without an issue even in quick passage changes.

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Geronimo 
Date:   2018-03-16 11:08

Liquorice,

I agree with your frustration. I bought a Silverstein prelude ligature at last summers ICA conference. I tried several of their models but ironically like the cheapest one the most. When I bought the vendor made sure that it was the right size for my mouthpiece.

However when I got back to my room and wanted to try things out, I noticed that it has a huge slipping problem when switching. Granted it stays on alright normally, but if you need it switch it's frustrating.

I went back the next day and asked what other players did or if they had received any other complaints. I got the impression from the rep that if I wanted a ligature that stays in place I should have spent more for the "A" frame design instead of the "t" design of the prelude. This was before the advirtised the anti slip patch and I assume situations like mine are why Silverstein now sells the prelude with the patch included.

However I do still like the ligature and have fixed the slipping issue with some "3M Clear Scotchgard paint protector". Its a vinyl that adds grip to the mouthpiece and protects it from scratches. And it's not visiable from more than a couple inches away. And cheaper than the anti slip patch. Check it out on Amazon if you want to try it. The difference is night and day.

Hope that helps!

-GM



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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2018-03-17 16:11

I hadn't realised that there were different sizes. I presume mine is too big for my mouthpiece, but after 6 months I doubt I can return it.

Thanks for the other ideas. I'll try them out.

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-03-17 17:44

You can certainly ask for a different size cord! When you ordered it, you specified your mouthpiece right?

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.skypeclarinetlessons.com/about.html

Sponsored by Backun/D'Addario/BG/Silverstein/ Artist Teacher and Soloist

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 Re: Silverstein flaw
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2018-03-18 02:56

Thanks David. The ligatures are pretty difficult to come by here in Switzerland, so a friend picked one up for me while he was in the USA. I didn't know then that there were different sizes.

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