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Author: ClarinettyBetty
Date: 2017-02-27 06:50
I know some of you are as nerdy as I am and might enjoy this.
I had a chance to measure barrel bores with my former teacher a few weeks ago. He has a hefty collection, most of which were bored by Mr. Moennig himself.
I was curious to see the differences between what Mr. Moennig did and what is being sold in stores now.
Here's the address of my blog where everything's laid out:
https://gentrymusic.wordpress.com/gentrymusic/
(Anyone have advice on how to add hyperlinks in this forum? That'd be appreciated!)
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Eb: 1972 Buffet BC20
Bb: Selmer Paris Presence
A: Selmer Paris Presence
Bass: 1977 LeBlanc
https://gentrywoodwinds.com
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2017-02-27 07:47
Moennig was hand-reaming those barrels, buying unfinished (undersized) barrels from Buffet and reaming them to spec at his shop.
I was recently told that he actually used two reamers, one from each end of the barrel, so that the reverse taper was not a smooth cone but had a slight narrowing where the two reamers met, since both would have to have been tapered. I think (but won't swear to it), that some of the modern Buffet barrels, which I assume are reamed by machine, are done with a single reamer starting from the top end. The result is a different internal bore shape apart from any variation among Moennig's barrels or between his barrels and the modern ones.
Montanaro had an exceptionally focused and compact sound, even more than Gigliotti, who had to find ways during Eugene Ormandy's tenure to provide the volume that Ormandy demanded. So I'm not surprised that a barrel made for Montanaro was smaller-bored than usual.
I am surprised, actually, that the stock Buffet barrels of the 1960s were reverse-tapered. I had thought that was a Moennig innovation until Buffet adopted it later. Interesting information.
Karl
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Author: ClarinettyBetty
Date: 2017-02-27 08:14
I suppose it is possible that they were reamed somewhere along the way (the stock barrels). I buy vintage horns and vintage barrels, so I suppose it is hard to know for certain. There may have been a trend of Moennig wannabe reamers and I happened to come across many of them.
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Eb: 1972 Buffet BC20
Bb: Selmer Paris Presence
A: Selmer Paris Presence
Bass: 1977 LeBlanc
https://gentrywoodwinds.com
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2017-02-28 02:21
They vary greatly. There was a whole shelf on the right hand side of the shop as you entered it from the stairs (a bric a brac type cabinet) with many barrels to try. Keep in mind that he altered the bell joint and used a longer than stock barrel (67mm). The "original" is wider and steeper than the so-called Moennig barrels that Buffet sells now....and has been adjusted in accordance with changes in the clarinet over the years.
You can NOT characterize the bore by simple plunger gauges alone, as they do not account for what happens along the way from the top to the bottom, nor are they accurate for offset or ellipsoid bores.
Disclaimer: I make hand reamed barrels for sale. (I use as many as 5 reamers in the process)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: ClarinettyBetty
Date: 2017-02-28 04:36
I find all this stuff fascinating. My teacher's A barrel is a 67 mm and he has something different about his bell (just can't remember what). So how do you find out the measurements on the inside--smaller gauges? It's too bad they are so cost-prohibitive or I'd have a collection to make more specific measurements like Dr. Segal was talking about.
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Eb: 1972 Buffet BC20
Bb: Selmer Paris Presence
A: Selmer Paris Presence
Bass: 1977 LeBlanc
https://gentrywoodwinds.com
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2017-03-01 20:20
Attachment: Internal caliper small jpg.jpg (14k)
here is a gauge. You need to record in several diameters along the entire length of the bore.( Or if you have a generous budget: Alternatively, get a 3D internal laser generated image or external 3D CAT scan.)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2017-03-01 20:24)
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Author: NTSOG
Date: 2017-03-02 06:10
Hello,
I am intrigued by the notion that subtle internal dimensions of the barrel can alter tonality, though I suspect my tinnitus from hours driving tractors around my farm, even with ear protection, limits my auditory perception.
I have a pair of Buffet Vintage R13s. They come with two barrels for both A and Bb. I do not have the measuring tools to assess the internal dimensions of the different barrels and have little understanding about what Buffet is was trying to do with the instruments and the different barrels. I cannot hear any difference myself, probably due to my hearing damage.
Has anyone got experience with the R13 Vintage instruments and can explain Buffet's intentions?
Jim
Australia.
Post Edited (2017-03-02 09:21)
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