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Author: 2E
Date: 2011-01-29 04:35
I'm playing 3rd clarinet in Mahler 1 - Bb/A/C/Eb/Bass :S hahaha.
Any other pieces you can think of that call for 5 clarinets in one sitting?
I'd be very interested to hear of any, perhaps other Mahler symphonies?
Musicals with rediculous reed doubling books DONT count! haha
2E.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2011-01-29 04:40
upon further inspection of my part I dont think theres any Bb, just Bass in Bb. But still! can you think of any pieces that call for all 5? Let me know!
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2011-01-29 06:09
The only one that comes to mind, and only 4, is Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique. Bb/A/C/Eb
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2011-01-29 06:14
yes, I know... I'm doing this too... it is a fact that it states" Basseklarinette" on the part. Actually very little bass clar in it.... for the most part A and C clars with Bass and Eb bringing up the rear.
Bob T
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-01-29 09:46
At least the Mahler 1 3rd clarinet part has bass clarinet all written out in treble clef.
I did this last year and had to juggle both Clarinet 3 and 4 which was a pain - never again. I even borrowed a C clarinet from a local player who was free on the day of the concert so they could've had all four players!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Benjamin
Date: 2011-01-29 14:30
Golijovs Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind for clarinet in A/Bb/C/Bass/Bassethorn and string quartet. Awesome piece!!!
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Author: davyd
Date: 2011-01-29 21:17
The 3rd part of Mahler IV calls for Bb, A, C, and Bass in Bb and A -- five instruments, though not the five you specify. I imagine there are other parts, by Mahler and others, requiring the same setup.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2011-01-29 23:37
I think I'm going to juggle clarinet 3 and 4 for Mahler 1. It's true theres very little actual Bass, the later half of the first movement I can cover part 4 on Eb.
Golijov Dreams of Issac the Blind sounds cool, I'll look it up
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-01-29 23:41
The problem you'll have with juggling both 3rd and 4th is there's a lot of important Eb parts on both - as well as a lot of important bass parts going on at the same time, so it's not ideal to have to play from both 3rd and 4th parts as there will be important bits missing.
You can't be in two places at once, so see if whoever is fixing the players can find another player so all four parts are covered by four players.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2011-01-30 00:51
this is true for the 3rd and 4th movements. 1st mvt you can play part 3 bass for the first half and then play part 4 eb for the second half! I'll have to organise a 4th player for mvts 3 and 4.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-01-30 03:26
James Grant has written a 3-movement solo for clarinet and orchestra called "Chocolates." One movement is for A clarinet, one for bass clarinet and one for Bb with an optional Eb ending -- no C clarinet though.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: claritoot26
Date: 2011-01-30 03:57
The Eefer part at the end of the first movement drove me mad! So high and fast, hard to control. Good time with the solo in the ...third? movement, though.
I played 4th. The third player transposed his Eefer part on the Bb, but I think the tone color with two Eefers would be better in that movement.
Lori
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-01-30 10:51
The tone quality of the Ebs in the Mahler make the Kletzmer section.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2011-01-30 13:11
Many Mozart operas require 4 different clarinets, including C and B natural clarinets, basset clarinet in B-flat and basset horn.
I was under the impression that the Golijov piece used basset horn OR bass clarinet, not that both were required.
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Author: Curinfinwe
Date: 2011-01-30 13:57
I'm playing Mahler 5 right now, and the 3rd clarinet part calls for Bb, A, C, D, and Bass in Bb and A. So that's six! I'm playing the C parts on Bb or A, the D on Eb, and the Bass in A on Bb bass, obviously. So it's only actually 4 instruments to juggle.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-01-30 15:17
Mahlers 1st if the only orchestra piece I've ever played that has an Eb part on the bass clarinet by a "classical" composer. The scores for Star Wars and Harry Potter for orchestra has three clarinet with the third playing bass, Eb and 3rd clarinet but they don't have C clarinet. I believe Star Wars is only Bb but Harry Potter also has A clarinet in the 3rd part. Other than those I don't remember ever having a bass clarinet part that included the Eb clarinet. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2011-01-30 15:25
Ed Palanker wrote:
> Other than those I don't remember ever having a bass clarinet part
> that included the Eb clarinet.
Leonard Bernstein Symphony No.1 "Jeremiah"
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-01-30 16:31
I think we've played the Jeremiah symphony but I don't remember it. Must have not had a lasting impression on me if we did. I'm surprised because I get doubling pay when I play Eb unless the Eb player was able to play that part and I only played the bass part. The orchestration book calls for only 3 clarinet including Eb and bass so that's what probably happened if we did play it. We have played his Kaddish symphony a few times though. So that makes two now and counting. ESP
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Author: 2E
Date: 2011-02-01 10:07
I think we have a winner in Mahler 5's third clarinet part!
2E.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-02-01 14:56
Sorry 2E, Mahlers 5th has two Eb clarinet but they're not in the 3rd parts, that's bass and clarinet. I've played that many times. One Eb part is clarinet and Eb, I believe that's the 4th part, the other is only Eb clarinet. ESP
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Author: Curinfinwe
Date: 2011-02-01 15:40
That's weird. I'm playing Mahler's 5th now and there are only three parts; 3rd has D clarinet in it. There is nothing written for Eb anywhere; only D. Could it somehow be a drastically different edition?
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2011-02-01 15:42
I have a distinct memory of a particular concert with the National Repertory Orchestra (Colorado Philharmonic) when I was a student. There were four clarinetists at the orchestra but only three clarinet parts in Mahler 5.
Because the 3rd part, indicated as Klarinette III (Bassklarinette), comprised so many different clarinets (Bb, A, C, D and bass) we split the third part so everyone could play the piece. My memory of this is strong because that summer I had my D clarinet with me, ostensibly to practise the Molter D clarinet concerti that I was playing after the summer. As luck would have it, here was an orchestral part full of D clarinet (no Eb clarinet in the part by the way, even though, of course, the D clarinet portions are played by most on an Eb).
Ed - perhaps there is a different edition (or in-house edition) of Mahler 5. Or perhaps you divide the parts like we did that summer.
The parts for Mahler 5 are viewable and downloadable at:
http://216.129.110.22/files/imglnks/usimg/3/30/IMSLP43531-PMLP08063-Mahler-Sym5.Clarinet.pdf
or http://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.5_(Mahler,_Gustav)
and they clearly show there being three clarinet parts. If ever a player was behind a forest of clarinets, the third part in Mahler 5 is it. In the first four pages of the 3rd part the player starts on A, goes to D, then to Bass, then to C, then to Bb.
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