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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2010-03-31 23:45
I attended a masterclass with Tony Pay in Italy last month. Apparently Tony has never been able to play with double lip, and regrets the limitations that this caused to his tone and technique. However, since he's changed over to a Kaspar mouthpiece by Pat Yonany (apparently a copy of the exact facing that Marcellus played!!!) together with a Bay/Kaspar ligature, he's had no problem adopting this superior embouchure, and can play for minutes without any pain at all. The mouthpieces are a bit more expensive than Pat's Zinner models, but I think that the advantages far outweigh the costs. Has anybody else tried these mouthpieces?
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2010-04-01 00:05
I cannot find any information about Pat Yonany online. What country is he from?
Is this Kaspar a real vintage kaspar or a kaspar copy?
What about the mouthpiece made it possible to play Double Lip? I know a few players who cannot do it because their upper lip is too small to cover the top teeth adequately.
Marcellus had a fairly extreme overbite (from what I've been told anyway) so I'm not sure most people would come close to the same feel as Marcellus would have on the same facing. Doesn't mean the mouthpiece wouldn't play extremely well of course!
Just when you think you've tried, or at least heard of, all the mouthpiece makers.....there's at least one more!
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-04-01 01:10
Then why did Tony say this in the other double-lip thread?
"Well, I'm a reasonably competent clarinet player. I may not be capable of the supreme mastery of tone and technique that the double-lip exponents Tom Piercy, Tonkatoy, Norman Smale, Malcolm Martland et al can achieve; but I do OK.
However, I CANNOT play double lip.
Why? Well, it's because my upper lip is very short, relative to the size of my upper teeth. It makes playing double lip nearly impossible, and, even when I achieve it, very painful in short order.
In fact, if I had HAD to play double lip, I would never have been a clarinet player."
Are you poking fun at him or something?
Curious James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: vin
Date: 2010-04-01 02:08
Pat Yonany is an excellent mouthpiece refacer and maker- my only caveat is that he is prone to long-winded diatribes about how Robert Marcellus is the one and only shining example of how the clarinet should be played. If you are fortunate enough to gain entrance to his shop, prepare to have your ear talked off six ways to Sunday. That being said, he is a genius and I accept everything he says without question. His "PARC" facing is the best facing in the world and will work for everyone! No wonder Tony can now play double lip.
Post Edited (2010-04-01 02:15)
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2010-04-01 02:13
I really don't believe that double lip is superior to teeth-on-mouthpiece. If God had wanted us to play double lip, he would have stuck us with double reeds.
There can be no reason to use a symmetrical embouchure with an asymmetrical geometry.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Ed
Date: 2010-04-01 02:18
Oh, I thought that is we were meant to play single, we would been given only one lip
;-)
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Author: BobD
Date: 2010-04-01 07:28
If god had intended us to play double lip he would have made us play with the mp upside down. DL vs SL always invites interesting comments. I used to have an overbite.....when I had my own teeth......and people always commented on how I sounded just like Marcellus. Now they say I sound like Woody Allen. As you get older people say you are getting longer in the teeth. I can see that causing trouble getting your lip over them. Well, Tony is a genuine asset to the clarinet community and it's too bad he got such a bad rap on this Board. Our loss.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-04-01 11:21
I would just add that Harold Wright had one of the most smooth, and mucially flexible sounds of anyone............ and he played double lip.
I was successful for a few years but succumbed to the temptation of teeth and never went back.......... schade.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-04-01 11:23
>>Well, Tony is a genuine asset to the clarinet community and it's too bad he got such a bad rap on this Board. Our loss.
>>
Huh? He's had some disagreements here, sure, but I think he's generally aware that most of us strongly respect him and value his participation.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2010-04-01 11:46
Yes vin- the "PARC" facing is excellent. I and many others are really excited about the new "Reverse PARC" facing which will come out next month. On this facing you place the reed with the thick part at the tip. It's suppose to make double lip playing even easier! There's so much interest in the mouthpieces that Pat is taking pre-orders. And if you order before April the 2nd then you get 100% discount!
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-04-01 13:08
Then there's the difference between the asymetrical version of the PARC and the standard version with balanced rails, also known as "Parallel PARCing." ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
Sorry.... the Devil made me do it! 
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
Post Edited (2010-04-01 13:40)
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Author: vin
Date: 2010-04-01 13:21
If you like the asymetrical version of the PARC, you obviously don't know anything about clarinet playing and should go to the doctor.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2010-04-01 13:31
I think someone should say April Fools and terminate this thread...
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Author: vin
Date: 2010-04-01 13:41
Lame- why do you get to decide?
Post Edited (2010-04-01 14:10)
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2010-04-01 15:40
I don't think Tony ever really got a bad rap here.
Some people merely responded to him in kind.
He'll probably hear plenty about this...although it's coming here second hand!?
Clarinet Redux
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-04-01 15:46
I don't get it. My teacher had a masterclass with Tony Pay I think sometime in the 80's after being taught double lip and Tony Pay asked him what he was doing and said he were striving too hard and just not getting the best result. Since then my teacher has never played with a double ever again and advice highly against it.
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2010-04-01 15:46
An April fool's day joke is OK...but you should leave Tony Pay out of it!
DUMB Liquorice DUMB!!!
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Author: vin
Date: 2010-04-01 16:51
Do they have Pat Yonany mouthpieces in Iceland? Everyone should switch to them.
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Author: donald
Date: 2010-04-01 20:11
This thread reminds me of those great words of wisdom,
"you're terrible Muriel"
dn
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Author: Avie
Date: 2010-04-01 21:13
No thanks. I think I will stick with what I have been using. Good Luck.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2010-04-01 22:55
"I don't think Tony ever really got a bad rap here."
Perhaps I should have said too many people didn't appreciate his wisdom
Bob Draznik
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Author: mrn
Date: 2010-04-02 16:08
vin wrote:
> Some of us got it anyway.
Yes.
Pat Yonany = Antony Pay
(it's an anagram)
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2010-04-02 16:18
Yeah, some of you got it. Did you also get the pointless disrespect to Tony Pay! Tony Pay is an internationally known clarinetist who has contributed some interesting and useful posts to this BB. Maybe not any more thanks to Liquorice!
Some of us will miss Tony's posts...as to Liquorice's posts??
Clarinet Redux
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2010-04-02 16:31
Oooops...
This was meant as an April fool's joke. It certainly wasn't meant to be disrespectful to Tony Pay. I wasn't intending to poke fun at him at all, but rather to the kinds of mindless threads that Tony finds so irritating. Things along the lines of "this is a copy of a mouthpiece played by some clarinet God, and if you buy it it will change your playing abilities miraculously". I think that Tony would be the first to see the humour in this.
But if I have in any way offended Tony, or anybody else for that matter, then I apologise.
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2010-04-02 17:25
-- "Yeah, some of you got it. Did you also get the pointless disrespect to Tony Pay! Tony Pay is an internationally known clarinetist who has contributed some interesting and useful posts to this BB. Maybe not any more thanks to Liquorice!
Some of us will miss Tony's posts...as to Liquorice's posts??" --
Oh for Pete's sake lighten up! It was a joke! Tony Pay lives in the UK and has a typical British sense of humour. I don't think for one second he would be offended. On the contrary, he'll more likely be very amused by your complete over-reaction.
There was nothing offensive in Liquorice's post.
If anyone should apologise, I suggest you should, for your rude comments to Liquorice.
Steve
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-04-02 20:06
The reference to the "PARC facing" (and in case anybody didn't get it, the "reverse PARC") was a major giveaway, but unfortunately I do think this type of humor will nearly always get misinterpreted, especially when the person in question does have a history of getting a certain amount of "parc" thrown at him around here.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2010-04-02 21:47
Lelia Loban wrote:
> The reference to the "PARC facing" (and in case anybody didn't
> get it, the "reverse PARC") was a major giveaway, but
> unfortunately I do think this type of humor will nearly always
> get misinterpreted, especially when the person in question does
> have a history of getting a certain amount of "parc" thrown at
> him around here.
>
Lelia,
I think that Pat Yonany has a great sense of humor and he can deal with all
the PARC here. :-)
However , some other people has a humor that makes sense only once a year -
on April fool's day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NseBdxfHk5k
Sarah
Post Edited (2010-04-02 22:16)
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2010-04-02 22:32
Just in case there is any question about it: Liquorice, I love you:-)
Tony
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