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 Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: graham 
Date:   2003-12-17 11:37

Do you know who was your teacher's own teacher. Have you heard their playing and can you discern any in approach or style, handed down through the generations?

It is a long time since I had lessons, but when I did so I had three teachers in succession. Through one of them I can trace the line back to Sidney Fell, one of the most renowned British clarinet teachers. In fact, I had two or three lessons from Fell himself so I suppose I can claim that his teacher was also my grand teacher (not sure who that is, possibly Charles Draper). Through another teacher I can claim descent from George Garside who was principal with the London Symphony Orchestra in the 1920s/30s. Yesterday I listened to my 1939 recording of the LSO doing Brahms 1st, probably with Garside, and I thought that, yes, that is how I would like to play and I do strive to play in that kind of style.

Has anyone else worked out whether they can notice the influence of their grand teacher(s)?

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2003-12-17 11:47

My teacher's teacher was the great Anthony Gigliotti. 47 years principal clarinet with the Philadelphia orchestra. Played the 10G (which he helped design), played on his own personal mouthpiece (my instructor has one and so do I), and played well. Of course, I haven't heard him so I don't know, but I was told [wink]. He studied with bonade. So I guess I can go back to bonade. Don't know who he studied from.

I don't know his musical style, but I know my instructor playes all gigliotti stuff except for the 10g. He has a gigliotti barrel, reed, ligature, mouthpiece, and silk swab. The mouthpiece and barrel were made/faced especially for him by Gigliotti. I do know that my instructor tends to leak air a lot. Did Gigliotti do that?

Alexi

I figure if we keep this thread up long enough we'll end up back to the adam/eve of clarinet. Some obscure person back in history that played a one reeded instrument without a name.

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: Who is your
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-12-17 12:14

"All roads eventually lead back to Baermann" ...GBK

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: jez 
Date:   2003-12-17 12:17

graham,
I think Sid was taught by Frederic Thurston, so I suppose that makes him our "grand-teacher"
There can't have been a huge difference in age between them. I wonder if you'd know how much?
jez

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: msloss 
Date:   2003-12-17 12:24

For me and many others, grandpappy is Daniel Bonade.

And no, in my experience, Gigliotti was not a "leaker". That man didn't squander a single air molecule.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Hank Lehrer 
Date:   2003-12-17 12:34

Hi,

Two different teacher, two different grand teachers, Gigliotti and Bonade. I'm pretty lucky.

HRL

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2003-12-17 21:55


A reading from the Book of StickMasters, by Casimir ("Chilidog") Kell:

"At the great Conservatoire de Paris, the self-taught Frederic Berr begat Hyacinthe Eleonore Klosé. And Klosé begat Cyrille Rose. And Rose begat Cahuzac, and Jeanjean, and Lefevre, and Prosper (Charles Joseph) Mimart, and H. & A. Selmer. And Mimart begat Daniel Bonade.

"And in the year 1920 the Swiss Daniel Bonade became a citizen of the United States of America. And in the year 1924 he began teaching at Philadelphia's Curtis Institute, and then at the Cleveland Institute, and then at New York's Mannes School, and then at New York's Juilliard. And Daniel Bonade begat Ignatius Gennusa, and Anthony Gigliotti, and Mitchell Lurie, and Robert Marcellus, and Bernard Portnoy. And yea, Daniel Bonade begat a great slew of others less well known to most."

I like his ligature.

Regards,
John
who has no idea who taught his best teache

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: diz 
Date:   2003-12-17 22:24

John ... thanks - that was as exciting as reading an extract from Numbers.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: LeWhite 
Date:   2003-12-17 22:51

My grand teacher is Larry Combs, and my great-grand-teacher is Bonade! I feel lucky!



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: contragirl 
Date:   2003-12-17 23:24

I know my old teacher's teacher was Charles Neideich (sp?) and one of my current teacher's teachers was Gennusa. :)

Hey, we have a bunch of pics of Bonade in the ICA research collection from the Jerry Pierce collection. There's ones of him on vacation and with his wife and her dog Musique. Of course everything is in French, so I don't understand half of it. Then there are later ones of Jerry and Bonade. :) Tre cool. hehe

--Contragirl

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Henry 
Date:   2003-12-18 00:23

I wonder what the relevance is of who your "grandteacher" is (was), although I must admit that it is very important to know who your CURRENT teacher is. I might want to hire her/him. Am I missing the point somehow? If so, I'm sorry! Please enlighten me!

Henry

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetmajr 
Date:   2003-12-18 01:43

My teacher studied with Gigliotti also, at Curtis.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Henry 
Date:   2003-12-18 01:46

Yes, but is she/he any good?

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: contragirl 
Date:   2003-12-18 02:16

Well, the teacher has to be pretty good if they are going ot be taught by Gigliotti. I mean... no top dog clarinetist is going to teach someone that sucks. Now, the teaching ability may be a bit different, but most ppl that have been taught by these ppl also pick up their teaching abilities.

--contragirl

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: ksclarinetgirl 
Date:   2003-12-18 03:55

My grand teacher is also Larry Combs (my old teacher takes from him) and my piano great (times 14 or something like that) grand teacher is Beethoven

Stephanie :o)

"Vita Brevis, Ars Longa"

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: mnorswor 
Date:   2003-12-18 04:02

I have a few grand teachers...

From the Elsa Verdehr side: Stanley Hasty
From the Richard Stoltzman side: Kal Opperman, grand teacher
Ralph McClane - great grand teacher

I feel so lucky :)

Michael

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Brandon 
Date:   2003-12-18 04:34

My grand teachers include Daniel Bonade and Joe Allard from Carmine Campione; and Gigliotti, Russianoff, Weber, Marcellus, Cioffi, among many others. I have not heard any on this list as they had past away before I was born or I lived too far to go hear them. Plus, I believe that as of my grand teachers goes, only David Weber is still around.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2003-12-18 04:51

Jez is my current grandteacher :)

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: donald 
Date:   2003-12-18 05:18

grand teachers= Bonade, Stanley Hasty, Alan Hacker/Thea King.
"Lewhite" didn't Mr Combs study for quite some time with Mr Hasty at Eastmann? I think you can count Hasty as well.....
donald....

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: lyn 
Date:   2003-12-18 10:04

Let's see.......I have several grand-teachers

On one side: Harold Wright, Kalman Opperman, Jerome Stowell and John McCaw
On the other: Daniel Bonade

Great Grandteacher: Ralph McLane

Not a bad pedigree........



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Wendy 
Date:   2003-12-18 17:09

My grandteacher is James Pyne and my great-grandteacher is Stan Hasty. But who was Hasty's teacher? I googled all over trying to find it, and no one has mentioned it here.

And, to answer (sort of) the original question, which was the real point of this thread, I'm no where near good enough to emulate my teacher, or my grand-teachers. But working on it  :)

Wendy (only 49; lots of time left  :) )

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 Re: Who is your
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-12-18 17:38

Wendy wrote:

> But who was Hasty's teacher? I googled all over trying
> to find it, and no one has mentioned it here.


Hasty's teachers were Val Henrich (Denver Symphony), Daniel Bonade, Ralph McLane and Arthur Christmann ...GBK

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Meri 
Date:   2003-12-18 18:54

Don't know about my former teacher's "grand teacher"; all I know is that he had four different teachers. My current teacher's grand teacher is Abe Galper!

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: beejay 
Date:   2003-12-18 22:14

Jacques Lancelot. Superb.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2003-12-18 23:32

Grandteacher #1 Bonade
Big time gap...then:
Grandteacher #2 Galper

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: CPW 
Date:   2003-12-18 23:35

Ditto
Plus this here item....

"I am less concerned about my ancestors than I am about who's ancestor I will be."
Anon(??)

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Rachel 
Date:   2003-12-19 00:42

I believe Harold Wright was my grandteacher.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Sylvain 
Date:   2003-12-19 02:12

Hasty and Marcellus

--
Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: vin 
Date:   2003-12-19 02:44

Speaking of "grand," David Weber turned 90 today.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetwife 
Date:   2003-12-19 03:03

Voxman for me. I wish I knew who the rest were, it would be interesting.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2003-12-19 03:10

Two well-known pedagogues: Mohler and Russianoff

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetmajr 
Date:   2003-12-19 03:21

To answer you question, Henry, I feel my teacher is "very good". He passes on to his students what he believes is relevant and makes sense in regards to playing the clarinet. He combines what he was taught (from Gigliotti) with some of his own thoughts on playing. He both plays professionally and teaches at my university, so I would say he is doing well! More importantly I greatly enjoy studying with this person; my i've noticed small but significant differences in my playing even within a semester's time.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: John J. Moses 
Date:   2003-12-19 03:42

Herb Couf
Larry Teal
Alberto Luconi
Bernie Portnoy
Buddy Wright
Anthony Gigliotti
Herb Blayman
Julius Baker
Joe Allard
and all my students...

JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Duane 
Date:   2003-12-19 04:54

My teacher is Dan St Marseille and his teacher was the great George Waln



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Katrina 
Date:   2003-12-19 04:55

Bonade
Stowell
Marcellus (with whom I also had a few lessons...is this a "he's both my dad and my granddad" oddity?)

The only question I have (and am a little ashamed to ask) is this: with whom did Clark Brody study?

Katrina

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-12-19 05:17

Katrina wrote:

> The only question I have (and am a little ashamed to ask) is
> this: with whom did Clark Brody study?


Daniel Bonade (from 1942 to 1949) ...GBK



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: ginny 
Date:   2003-12-19 05:53

Bonade was my great grand teacher, and has recently moved up to being my grand teacher.

He must have had a lot of sucessful students!

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2003-12-19 18:05

I geuss it makes

Ralph MacLane
Gaston Hamelin
Robert McGinnis
Cahusac

David Dow

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: R13A 
Date:   2003-12-20 03:54

hmmmmmmmm

different teachers , but:

Stan Hasty
Stan Hasty
Ralph MacLane
( ? ) dad was Leon Russianoff ...... Leon was Leon, he didn't need a 'father'
( ?...age has denied me England remembrance ) dad was John Denman



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Katrina 
Date:   2003-12-20 04:24

Thanks GBK. I had kind of figured that Brody was also a Bonade student due to his age and ability...

Katrina

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Irwin 
Date:   2003-12-20 13:01

Charlie Neidich was mine.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: carusoclarnet 
Date:   2003-12-22 23:30

My undergraduate teacher:

*Linnea Nereim
Robert Marcellus
George Weber
Jerome Stowell
which I believe leads back to Keith Stein (German) and Bonade (French)
She would also include Everrret Matson and Arnold Jacabs amongst them

My graduate teacher:

*Ronald deKant
Bonade



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Gary Van Cott 
Date:   2003-12-24 20:32

About me I have no idea since I never asked my teacher and he died about 30 years ago.

But my son's teacher studied with Mazzeo and Lurie.

Gary



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Gretchen 
Date:   2003-12-25 23:02

Galper and Bonade.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: fmadison 
Date:   2003-12-27 23:25

Hi,

My Grandteacher was Daniel Bonade.

-Frank

It's the wood that makes it good!

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Heidi 
Date:   2003-12-28 04:19

Hi...I have an interesting pedigree. I've had 3 teachers in my 5 year career at college because of various reasons...Two of them played saxophone as their main instrument. If I were a saxophone player, my grand teacher would be Fischer from UGA..but I'm not...so I guess one clarinet ancester would be Dr. Jahn (who has recently passed away) from UGA. Also Ron deKant at Cincinnati and Ronald Munson (sp??) from Univ. of Kentucky. If I end up going to grad school at Univ. of Florida, I would also have Stanley Drucker. Interesting stuff. I hope some of it has rubbed off on me!

Interesting post!
Heidi

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: John Scorgie 
Date:   2003-12-29 17:54



Gustave Langenus and Simeon Bellison

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2003-12-30 01:39

Grand Teachers:


Lee Gibson
Harold Wright
William Stubins
Daniel Bonade

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: RM 
Date:   2003-12-30 04:28

Lets see, my grand teachers would be

Robert Marcellus
Fred Ormand
Russianoff
Gigliotti
Alberto Lucioni
Paul Shaller

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Carol Dutcher 
Date:   2003-12-30 20:05

My teacher was my father, Walt Sarlette, from Minnesota who played with the big bands before he got married and settled down. His teacher was HIS father, Pete Sarlette, who traveled with the Ringling Brothers Circus band for years before HE settled down. Pete was originally from Belgium and played in the Belgium beer halls. I just received a copy of our Sarlette geneology from my brother going back to 1675 in Belgium and mostly all of the Sarlettes were musicians. A very strong gene!

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Tyler 
Date:   2006-01-23 22:12

For me, it goes back to Bonade pretty quickly I think, as for many here; don't know who all is in between, though!

-Tyler

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 Re: Who is your
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2006-01-23 22:45

I can trace my piano lineage all the way to Haydn through Beethoven and Liszt (I was student of a student of Liszt's last living student) - with a 2nd of my piano teachers being one of the only 5 students of Horowitz.

Clarinet would be Bonade and Marcellus from Shifrin. With my first and 2nd teacher it would be Keith Stein and Leon Russianoff (though I played in a masterclass of his too). Don't remember who Joe Allard studied with.


Yes, Gigliotti leaked a LOT of air.
On some of his recordings (quintet with strings) it sounded like a hurricane was a blowin when he came in. He had a massive sound too.



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: TinyE 
Date:   2006-01-23 23:55

I don't know my first 'grand teacher' because I no longer have a copy of my first professor's bio, and I can't remember where he went to school (not a major conservatory). He died in 2001.
'Grand Teacher #2" is David Weber. I understand how great he is, but it got really old to hear about him every 5 seconds. But I doubt I'll ever be invited to the 'family reunion' since that professor and I didn't part on the best of terms. I am actually dreading the day I have to contact him for grad school recommendations (though it's been 2 years now).

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinets1 
Date:   2006-01-24 00:08

Stanley Drucker definitely, and Kal Opperman (or Galper-I always confuse these two).

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: bcl1dso 
Date:   2006-01-24 00:09

My teacher is my grandfather Doug Cornelson. He has been 2nd chair for the detroit symphony orchestra for the past 30 years. His teacher was Robert Marcellus. And obviously Marcellus teacher was Bonade. Bonades teacher was Lefebvre. And Lefebvre teacher was Rose.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Iacuras 
Date:   2006-01-24 00:15

My Grand Teacher would be Robert Marcellus, and whomever he studied with. My clarinet teacher, Dr. Linda Shea, studied with Mr. Marcellus.

Steve
"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."
"If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly."

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: CK 
Date:   2006-01-24 00:20

My teachers were
Anthony Gigliotti , he studied with Bonade
Joe Allard for sax & flute doubles
William Klinger

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: hartt 
Date:   2006-01-24 00:37

...........as an aside..........

often noted is Bonade as being the teacher of Marcellus.

However, before going to Bonade in New York, Marcellus's teacher was Earl Handlon of the Minneapolis Symphony.

Neither of whom were my 'grandfathers' but, I do have a Buffet R13 A that was selected by Earl Handlon for one his 'other' students.
I purchased it from that student......after it sat unused in a closet for 30+ years......one can never have too many good A's [happy]

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: ken 
Date:   2006-01-24 02:26

As teacher in the flesh, I learned the most from Melvin Warner (not privy to his clarinet pedigree;) contemporaneously by recordings, press interviews and method books Artie Shaw and Baermann everyday until I die or can no longer play. v/r Ken



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: JessKateDD 
Date:   2006-01-24 03:11

My main teacher had three wonderful teachers - his first teacher was Kalman Bloch, then he went to Leon Russianoff and eventually Rudolf Jettel.

If you add my high school teacher to the mix or the various people I've taken some lessons with since, most roads lead to Bonade.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Wes 
Date:   2006-01-24 04:53

In Minneapolis, I studied several years with
Earl Handlon in for-credit courses. He had studied with Grizez as I recall. He was extremely well organized. Later, I studied with Mitchell Lurie and Ben Kanter in Los Angeles. It appears that many members on this board are based in the East of the USA.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: David B 
Date:   2006-01-24 05:17

You have a wonderful teacher. I had the honor of studying with Doug when I was a student @ Oakland University. He really rekindled my love for the clarinet and taught me much that I still use in my own playing and teaching today. I went on to study with Rosario Mazzeo who I consider to be my Maestro and a "Grand Teacher". Please tell Doug that David Barnett sends greetings to him.

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 Re: Who is your
Author: David B 
Date:   2006-01-24 05:18

Which is a road that leads back to Tausch.

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 Re: Who is your
Author: TinyE 
Date:   2006-01-24 07:34

[ Deleted - Please take personal conversations off line - GBK ]

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: OpusII 
Date:   2006-01-24 08:56

My Grand Teacher is Walter Boeykens and after hearing my teacher play I've to admit that I can hear Walter's influence in his playing! But my teachers favourite instrument is the Eb clarinet… and he plays this little animal even smoother than the Bb….

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: crnichols 
Date:   2006-01-24 09:49

I would have three grand teachers: Marcellus, Wright, and Allard.
Christopher Nichols
1st Infantry Division Band

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: LarryBocaner 2017
Date:   2006-01-24 13:40

My 3 main teachers were Jerry Stowell, George Weber and Daniel Bonade, so I guess my grandteachers were Marius Fossenkemper, Robert Lindemann and Henri Lefebvre, respectively. Never thought about it that way before! Sort of like the EU: one each from Belgium, Germany and France.

Incedentally, GBK cites Val Henrich as being from the Denver Symphony; does that pre-date Denver's (now Colorado SO) "major symphony" years?

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: TonkaToy 
Date:   2006-01-24 15:58

Bonade and McLane

My first teacher, Bob Listokin, studied with Bonade at Julliard.

My second teacher, George Silfies, studied with McLane at Curtis.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: DaveF 
Date:   2006-01-25 20:42

My 1st main teacher was Harvey Hermann (at U. of Ill.), who studied with Clark Brody, who studied with Bonade.

I currently study with Sean Osborn (Seattle), who has studied with Stanley Hasty, Frank Kowalsky, and Eric Mandat. (Of these four, I'm pretty sure that three of them are younger than me.....ouch!)

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 Re: Who is your
Author: Alphie 
Date:   2006-01-25 21:56

David B wrote:

"Which is a road that leads back to Tausch."

I've never thought of this before but my teacher’s teacher studied with Eric Hessler at the Royal Conservatory. His ancestors at the same conservatory lead back to a student of Bernhard Crusell’s. Crusell studied with Franz Tausch in 1798. Tausch was his very first real teacher after having been principal clarinet with the Royal Court Orchestra for six years already. He was quite annoyed that he had to start from the beginning by playing “the scale”.

Alphie



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Danny Boy 
Date:   2006-01-25 23:12

Don't seem to be too many brits about on this thread...

The 'grand teachers' I can think of...

Michael Collins
Thea King
Colin Bradbury
Howard Klug

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: kchan 2017
Date:   2006-01-26 01:39

In Hawaii we often use the term "poi dog" to mean a mixed breed dog.

We have students here that have a lot of "poi dog" in their "grand teacher" lineage.

Bonade and McLane via Hasty
Bellison via Forrest
Heinrich Geuser [hey Karl Leister even looked us up at a Clarinet convention]

and of course to make Dan Leeson smile, don't sound like any of these often labeled as national styles.



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2009-06-15 12:49

The National Styles were diffused many years ago.


Such a blend now.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Brenda 2017
Date:   2009-06-15 14:43

My teacher studied with Abe Galper in Toronto, with whom I had only one lesson of my own. But we'd meet up with the Galpers from time to time, and even when "retired" Abe was always interested in the welfare of his students and their students. Abe was happy to offer suggestions and would often come to recitals and concerts. He and his wife always had a sparkle in their eyes when talking with us.

My teacher also studied with Robert Marcellus, taking time to travel to Cleveland once a week for long lessons with him. After knowing this I wanted to see if I could meet Robert (I'm from the Cleveland area originally) but by then he'd passed away.

There are many tricks that have been passed along to me from those grand-teachers, most of which I use with my own students. But I suppose as with anybody there are things that I add to my own teaching that I wish had been taught to me in order to make the road a little easier along the way.

This BB is an enormous help as well. I've learned many things that are common points of view, some new tricks for teaching, and also that there are many divergent opinions about some topics. It helps me to not be dogmatic about certain things when teaching but rather help my students see different sides of an issue and form an opinion of their own. With other things I can take a stand and tell the student that this is the way it is, and why we're going to do this even though they don't want to. Once we clearly see the issues or the consequences down the road we're better able to guide students so they have a good chance to succeed when they reach more difficult material.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: bmcgar 2017
Date:   2009-06-15 15:32


Alfred Zetzer, Bernard Portnoy, Daniel Bonade.

Boy, am I old!

B.

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 Re: Who is your
Author: John J. Moses 
Date:   2009-06-15 15:46

I have studied Clarinet with:

Joe Allard (in NYC)
Bernard Portnoy (in NYC)
Herbert Couf (in Detroit)
Sydney Forrest (at Interlochen)
Gino Cioffi (in Boston)
Anthony Gigliotti (in Philly)
Harold Wright (in DC)
Robert Marcellus (in Cleveland)
Leon Russianoff (in Aspen)
Alex Williams (in NYC)
Alberto Luconi (at U of M in MI)
John Mohler (at U of M in MI)
Dave Tarras (over the phone!)
exchanged lessons with Eddie Daniels

I've also studied Sax & Flute with some pretty neat people...!

JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Ryan K 
Date:   2009-06-15 16:00

Thomas Thompson -> Robert Marcellus and Clark Brody -> Daniel Bonade

Ryan Karr
Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetwoodcarver 
Date:   2009-06-15 16:41

Robert Marcellus.....never heard him play except on recordings, but saw him conduct once.....

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Pappy 
Date:   2009-06-15 17:01

I studied with Carl Bartlett and Bernard Portnoy who studied with Daniel Bonade.



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: leonardA 
Date:   2009-06-15 19:02

My teacher, Guy Yehuda, a wonderful clarinetist and professor at Univrsity of North Florida, studied with Avram Galper, so I guess that makes Galper my grand teacher.

Leonard

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: weberfan 
Date:   2009-06-15 19:39




Stanley Hasty was my teacher's teacher at Eastman.

Last year, I came across a doctoral dissertation written at Florida State University (Frank Kowalsky, then a dean, was a Hasty pupil, I believe) that included a wonderful appendix on Hasty's teaching methods....in his own words and as told to the writer by some of his star pupils of earlier years.

I discussed this with my teacher, who responded with a grin, saying:
"Now you know what I'm doing to you!"

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Curinfinwe 
Date:   2009-06-15 20:58

Hmm... My three grand teachers are Eli Eban, Robert Spring and Stan Fisher, and my great grand teachers are, through Egan Gigliotti, and through Spring John Mohler, David Shifrin and Paul Shaller. I haven't been able to find anything about Stan Fisher's teacher, though.
I didn't think I had any pedigree at all, and that's not bad, is it?



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: susieray 
Date:   2009-06-15 23:15


I have two "grand teachers", Clem Hutchinson and Kalman Bloch.


Sue [happy]

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 Re: Who is your
Author: Gregory Smith 2017
Date:   2009-06-15 23:46

All French linage:

Studied with Marcellus > Bonade > Lefebvre > Rose > Klose > Berr (self taught?).

I don't know how that relates to Baermann as GBK referenced at the top of this thread but....


Gregory Smith

http://www.gregory-smith.com

New model mouthpiece, new model barrel.



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetguy 2017
Date:   2009-06-16 00:24

I studied with several wonderful teachers over the years, but my three favorites were Keith Stein, Larry Maxey (briefly, but he made quite an impact), and Doug Cornelsen.

Keith Stein was a very special man. Does anyone know who he studied with? This is one subject he never discussed with me, and I never thought to ask him.

I know that Larry Maxey studied with Stein, but I'm not sure who his other teachers were.

>[Doug Cornelsen's] teacher was Robert Marcellus. And obviously Marcellus teacher was Bonade. Bonades teacher was Lefebvre. And Lefebvre teacher was Rose.

When I studied with Doug Cornelsen, a wonderful person, teacher, and performer, I really didn't know about his teachers. Wow, now I'm impressed! The next time I play a Rose etude, I can say that I indirectly studied with the great one!

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: hinotehud 2017
Date:   2009-06-16 01:38

Hey "clarinetguy". Reply to me personally, we were probably at MSU together.
kjhudson@chartermi.net

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: GBK 
Date:   2009-06-16 02:40

Gregory Smith wrote:

> I don't know how that relates to Baermann as GBK referenced
> at the top of this thread but....


You are correct, as a teacher, per se, he doesn't.

However, Carl Baermann's ops. 63 and 64 (1864-1873) "Clarinet School" became one of the most widely used primers for generations of future "Grand Teachers."

...GBK

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Bill G 
Date:   2009-06-16 02:41

My only real teacher (with whom I started when I was about 75) has been Eugene Jones, who studied with Gino Cioffi, among others. Of course I now have as teachers all the members of this BB, whose help I highly value.

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: clarinetist04 
Date:   2009-06-16 02:59

My teacher's teacher was Sidney Forrest and his was Simeon Bellison and his, according to this site, was Joseph Friedrich (not sure of that's the whole name or if this is in reference to Hummel).

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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: Gregory Smith 2017
Date:   2009-06-16 03:20

GBK

"Carl Baermann's ops. 63 and 64 (1864-1873) "Clarinet School" became one of the most widely used primers for generations of future "Grand Teachers."
------------------------------

Yes. Of course. I see.

GS

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 Re: Who is your
Author: Sarah Elbaz 
Date:   2009-06-16 04:52

My teacher Yaacov Barnea was a student of Yona Etlinger who was a student of Cahuzak.
and later Mitchell Lurie was a student of Bonade.

Sarah

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 Re: Who is your
Author: oliver sudden 
Date:   2009-06-16 09:17

Two university teachers: Phillip Miechel and Peter Jenkin.

Phillip studied with I don't know whom in Australia and in Germany with Jost Michaels who studied with Richard Gräfe and there the trail goes a bit cold;

Peter studied with Alan Bray and David Shepherd (or Shephard?) in Adelaide and then in London with, oh look - our very own Antony Pay!

Well, well, well.



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 Re: Who is your "Grand Teacher?"
Author: ABerry 
Date:   2009-06-17 05:11


Two instructors: Egrain Guigui and Jennifer Nelson.

By way of Jennifer, my Grand Teacher would be Gigliotti, Great Grand Teacher Bonade.

By way of Guigui...I have no idea, I do know he studied conducting under Otto Klemperer, Erich Kleiber, von Karajan and Stokowski

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