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 Re: Is Barret Obsolete?
Author: vboboe 
Date:   2008-01-05 18:43

thank you, this has been a very informative discussion, it's certainly helped me find out where to put Barret (and Andraud, Ferling) in a sensible sequential place in my own studies

i haven't got The Complete Barret in any of the recommended editions, but it appears i do have some Barret in Gekeler 2

until my fingers can physically play these a tempo without fingering errors and expressivo as they feel to me to my own satisfaction, i won't be ready for refinements expected by a teacher, so all i can say is they're a huge range of mountains in front of me i've still got to cross

This means Gek 2's Barret is still an open book and i'm estimating it'll take at least two more years hard work before my fingers will do exactly what they're told without mistakes for this level of work -- my attitude is it doesn't matter how you blow if your fingers won't go!

it seems our general consensus is that The Complete Barret in any recommended edition is a valuable PART of any oboist's training repertoire, but it shouldn't be considered the be-all and end-all

i agree that a training plan for oboists should be liberally comprehensive, so that students are given adequate exposure and playing experience in all musical styles from the various eras right up to the present day

i also agree that a training plan needs to be very practical, by building necessary skills and spending enough study time on preparing for best bets in the real world of performance

as a starting point for beginners, i like the Standard of Excellence band method for putting the history of music into perspective, i can now see where Barret fits in musical history, although at the moment where i'm at,
it feels like the technical skill level is about Grade 5+ in order to play Barret meaningfully

Barret was good enough for well-known oboists say some, IMO that really isn't relevant as a good foundational reason for using Barret in training studies. What's more important as a relevant reason for using Barret is that it fills a niche for 18/19th Century (Beethoven & Brahms) studies, and the well-known oboists (now) went thataway because they needed the study experience in that era while they were students in training

this doesn't make The Complete Barret obsolete as a required university study aid, it makes Barret inclusive. Meanwhile, non-U amateurs like me can use the digest-size editions of Barret in other more readily obtainable music books to get a preview of the same material :-)

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