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Author: meijerjo
Date: 2024-06-08 18:32
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This may be of interest to the group. Attached are scans of the brochure that came with my "Master Bore" pre-R13 clarinet, serial number #47235 - made in around 1953 - which I acquired in 1973 and just had completely overhauled.
I have now retired and intend to get back to playing it, as a hobby, after keeping it in the closet since 1978. Untouched for 46 years!
The brochure (Carl Fischer Musical Instrument Company, New York, NY) lists the lines of Buffet and Evette clarinets, bass clarinets, saxophones, oboes, flutes, english horn, trumpets, cornets, trombones which I presume were all available in that era.
According to the brochure, my clarinet, #47235 is a Model R-14, "Boehm System, 17 keys, 7 rings. Extra Eb-Bb mechanism with ring for third finger of left hand. Ring, plus the forked Bb, facilitates rapid passages from G# or Ab. In Bb or A".
My passages are not yet "rapid", but give it time, lol.
Post Edited (2024-06-08 18:37)
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2024-06-09 15:47
Welcome back to the clarinet world !! It's never too late to start playing again.
Thanks for the brochures, I find it interesting that they had trumpet/cornets and trombones too. I'm also a cornet player.
I also had a Master Bore era clarinet at one time. It was a fantastic player and very flexible in all manner. I should have kept it. I had the normal standard boehm version. Those model numbers date back to the early 1900s in early general catalogs.
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: gwlively
Date: 2024-06-09 21:27
My Buffet is #48XXX. It was bought used in 1966. I used it all the way through college and elsewhere. Every repairman has confirmed that the wood was good and that I should keep it, so I still use it.
My throat G# and A keys are mounted on the same structure, not individually like the R13.
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Author: ElizabethMH
Date: 2024-06-09 23:30
Love it. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy playing your clarinet! Can someone explain what they mean by 'without the pressure of lipping and conical hard-phrasing'? Thanks.
Elizabeth
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Author: Micke Isotalo ★2017
Date: 2024-06-11 17:05
Elizabeth, "lipping" probably means pitch adjustments by changes in lip pressure, and the phrase "without the pressure of lipping" could refer to the relief that less "lip-work" brings to the player. Further down on the first page the phrase "conical hard-phrasing" is followed by "(undercutting of the tone holes)", so that's probably what it is.
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Author: JTJC
Date: 2024-06-11 19:34
Don't you love the R16¾. But you wonder if there's a R16⅞. Couldn't they have given it a different names? Wouldn't work these days.
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Author: igalkov
Date: 2024-06-12 14:33
Thanks for sharing! So, Buffet professional clarinets were already known as R-13s? Even before the “proper” R13 was launched? So confusing…
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-06-14 06:15
igalkov wrote:
"... So, Buffet professional clarinets were already known as R-13s? Even before the “proper” R13 was launched? So confusing…"
His clarinet was made around 1953 but the brochure could be printed at later time.
My understanding is that the brochure was an advertisement for the newest Buffet's instruments, some of them may not have been in production yet.
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Author: igalkov
Date: 2024-06-14 14:03
AFAIK the main visual distinction of “the” R13 are throat A/Ab placed on separate posts, while in the brochure they are on the combined post
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-06-14 16:25
There were 'claims' that Buffet experimented with R13 design prior to 1955.
Also, they could photograph the existing model for the brochure. IDK, I am not an expert.
I once had a 53xxx s/n that had "new" type of thrill keys guide and separate posts and looked 100% like a R13 but played like a pre-R13.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2024-06-14 20:37
Wasn't the R13's main innovation the polycylindrical bore, designed by Robert Carrée? As I remember other discussions, previous models were still cylindrical.
Karl
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Author: igalkov
Date: 2024-06-14 22:29
Stephen Sklar has provided an excellent video where there’s various R’s including R13 appeared in a 1915 catalog. So, m1964, I think it’s wrong guesses — it’s definitely has nothing to do with experiments or newer catalog in the older model case or something like this. Seems there were R13s clearly associated with Buffet all the way back to the at least 1915 and Albert system clarinets.
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Author: igalkov
Date: 2024-06-14 22:34
Kdk, yes it was. The question is: weren’t all the models we know today as “pre-R13s” known as “R13” back in the days, and the poly-cylindrical R13 took the existing name (a catalog descriptor actually) as it’s name we know today?
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