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Author: EbClarinet
Date: 2023-05-08 23:40
Hello, I'm a clarinetist/composer .My jr hi band director told us that if u analogize band with cake, that the clarinets r the flour. How ever, I also write for orchestra and marching band .I want to know that for those mediums does the clarinet still remain the same. I'm finding so many other analogies for the whole clarinet family in marching band and orchestra. Any thoughts/feelings?
She further told us that the upper woodwinds r the icing on the cake. The trumpets/mid-brass r the eggs. I've 4gotten what else she said were the other parts of the cake. Has any1 else been taught this in grade school? What r your adult thoughts about this now that u've been around musically.
For marching band or orchestra, do the other instruments take on other elements of the cake? What r the other elements f a cake that the other instruments analogize to for either mediums?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-05-09 01:59
I don’t even understand what your teacher was getting at with that description.
The best thing is to listen to band pieces and arrangements and make up your own mind how best to use the various timbres.
My suggestion would be to start with recordings made by Frederick Fennel and the Eastman Wind Ensemble (old but incredible). And quite frankly anything conducted by Fennel will be great.
You will find many good recordings from there.
…………..Paul Aviles
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-05-09 02:26
Hi EbClarinet,
I think your band director means well, and is perhaps just trying to start people with thinking of other analogies, so they can move on to one that fits with their own way of seeing the world.
Maybe it would be good to come up with an analogy that is meaningful to you, like the weather, or the sounds of nature, or something like that. I often think that the sound of an orchestra tuning up is a bit like the dawn chorus, and it's one of my favourite bits in any performance.
I find it a bit funny to think of eating the sounds of an orchestra, and even more funny to think of having to store them in an airtight tin. I wonder what a gluten-free orchestra would sound like? LOL!
Jennifer
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-05-09 03:02
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What r your adult thoughts about this now that u've been around musically.
I'm not sure. On one hand, back when I was 10-13 years old, it very well might have helped me realize that the various instrument sections played specific roles. (Perhaps these roles would change from song to song, but roles, none-the-less). This isn't the way my friends and I were thinking or being taught in our band(s) at that age. Our view consisted primarily about chair placements amongst our own instrument - and not the role of our section in the larger context. Perhaps such an analogy would have helped introduce the concept of the larger context to us.
I think that analogies can be beneficial to some when learning, because there seems to be an automatic response/desire to test an analogy and find its flaws. This can lead to a deeper understanding.
Having said that; analogies can fly right over the head of some students, or be ridiculed and never analyzed...which can cause distraction for those so inclined.
I guess it would come down to the particular group of students itself, and whether the instructor had time to explore the possible strengths/weakness/meaning with them.
I find much less room for analogies as students progress/gain knowledge.
Fuzzy
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2023-05-09 04:35
@Johnny,
I have thought about a chat bot for a long time. Let's see if this works.
Hey Eb Clarinet, are you out there?
Hank
PS I looked at threads that "Ebclainet" has begun and there is seldom a reply to any messages from others. Also, when I get voice transcriptions of phone messages, the same type of spelling and syntax errors match those in Ebclarinet's posts.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2023-05-09 06:35
Luby has been posting for years under this snd other names. The syntax and spelling iare distinctive. He's (or she or they or them) is/are not a bot.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-05-09 08:39
I've noticed that quite a lot of threads seem to start with a question from someone I don't know, and then we all pitch in and try to help, and then the person never seems to return.
I wondered if it might be good to reply to initial posts with a request for more information and then only offer advice if the person replies? That way the regulars on the forum could focus their efforts on people who are going to return and read what they say.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-05-09 15:37
I think analogies are used to describe the average in the industry. If you write your compositions around these analogies you may end up with music that also sounds "average".
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-05-09 21:54
It sounds to me like the kind of thing a band director might say, but as specific to a particular situation . Perhaps it came across as a generalization.
I think that food/ cooking analogies are probably quite apt for composition thinking ... but clarinets the flour ? ...lets make clarinets the whole damn cake!
A big , smooth chocolaty one ,levitating in the air .
The other instruments can be whatever they want.... I don't mind .
Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853
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Author: prigault
Date: 2023-05-09 23:13
Julian ibiza wrote:
> A big , smooth chocolaty one ,levitating in the air .
Indeed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZBRsaMAIo&t=130s
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2023-05-10 09:33
a bandmate beginner asked "Why does your clarinet sound like warm chocolate and mine sounds like cold coffee?" I played her clarinet and showed her that there was warm chocolate in it as well if you look in the right place.
Tony F.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-05-10 12:05
I think a clarinet could definitely be the nice melty bit in the middle of chocolate fudge cake that has been heated in the oven.
I think the violins might be the lemon sorbet with the lovely sharpness to them.
I'm still not convinced that I would want to eat music though.
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-05-10 20:48
Well!.... If this topic WAS posted by a robot, I imaging that by now we've thoroughly trashed its AI . It's probably on the street, looking for a job as an oven timer for chocolate cakes ....or was it clarinets? ( Sigh !)
Ha-ha !
Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853
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Author: Johnny Galaga
Date: 2023-05-12 06:01
Playing 3rd part is like mayonnaise on a sandwich. You may not be the main meat and cheese, but you make the whole sandwich taste better.
Post Edited (2023-05-12 19:32)
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Author: EbClarinet
Date: 2023-05-12 17:50
GM! Thank u all 4 perceiving what I was getting @. Through your comments I'm able 2 c that "I'm changing 4 the best/better". I think the jr hi analogy worked for me through college, but now I'm writing for orchestra. It's time for me to broaden my views of orchestration and consider what works 4 me now/future.
Thanks, Mark 4 defending me and keeping the peace! Those of u the have replied with wisdom, grace and intellect, a big shoutout to u all as well!
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