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 Is this a r13?
Author: Sir_Charles_V 
Date:   2023-04-02 22:46
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Hello everyone,
I found this clarinet online for very cheap. The lady has basically zero info on the clarinet except it's in a old Buffet case. I know the photos are not the best but they are from the listing. The clarinet has no branding on it except the serial number which is 99701. From what I can find it might be a r13 from 1967. Also, the body seems to be wooden but Im not sure about the bell and barrel. Any input would be very appreciated!

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GzQ-ApaUeobDEfWGVhmcCjVE4HDO5JM3



Post Edited (2023-04-02 22:57)

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Paul Globus 
Date:   2023-04-02 23:16

Typically, the R13's from that period have the wood cut out from under the four right-hand keys at the bottom of the lower joint. At least, that's my understanding and that's how my instruments, circa 1968, are configured.



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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Sir_Charles_V 
Date:   2023-04-02 23:27

Thank you for your response. The photos I put up aren't super clear but in the ones I see it looks like they are undercut

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: jcm499 
Date:   2023-04-03 00:10

It looks like a Schreiber-made Buffet E11 to me. An R13 (or an E12) would have the oval Buffet logo stamped into the wood on all joints. It would be visible even if faded. On a E11 the logos were just printed on and could wear away without a trace, as here.

The style of adjustable thumbrest in the photos come with the E11 and E12. 1960s R13s came with a regular style fixed thumbrest— though these can be changed so it isn’t 100% definitive.

It’s hard to see in these pictures, but in my observation, on E11s and E12s, the arm of the right hand sliver key is straight, while on R13s it is curved.

I believe the weight of the evidence here points to an E11.

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2023-04-03 00:20

Definitely a Schreiber-built Buffet E11.

And the bell socket ring has been put on the wrong way up.
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/1,7892/Screenshot_20230402_133412_Mercari.jpg

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Sir_Charles_V 
Date:   2023-04-03 00:22

Okay thank you! Could the serial number be an E11/E12 serial number as well?

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Sir_Charles_V 
Date:   2023-04-03 00:27

Also, would this be worth $70? That's what it's listed for

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: gwie 
Date:   2023-04-03 03:15

Definitely more than $70.

E11's go for $400+, depending on their condition.

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 Re: Is this a r13?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2023-04-03 14:05

For $70 it's a steal.

And don't let that low purchase price cloud your judgement of how much you should spend on having it fully overhauled.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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