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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-05-15 21:36
Does there exist an urtext edition of this piece? I-as well as most people-have used the Durand edition since my youth-probably studded with errors, if it's true to the Durand tradition. I know Guy Danguin has done a lot of work on the piece by consulting the original manuscript at the French Bibliothèque Nationale. He publishes/published it with Billaudot-which is a company that is even less reliable than Durand!
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2020-05-15 22:41
ruben wrote:
> Does there exist an urtext edition of this piece? I-as well as
> most people-have used the Durand edition since my
> youth-probably studded with errors,....He [Guy Danguin] publishes/published
> it with Billaudot-which is a company that is even less reliable than
> Durand!
>
Seems as if Durand has had some editing done to it over the decades and is more reliable than the original Durand edition. But if Danguin has published an edited version using the MS, why would it be any more unreliable than Danguin's work itself? Would some Billaudot editor change what Danguin produced?
Karl
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-05-16 01:58
Music scholar Douglas Woodfull-Harris put together what Baerenreiter regards as an Urtext edition of the Debussy Rhapsody. They published it in 2017, and it is quite bulky and informative, extending to around 30 pages. Woodfull-Harris has done Urtext editions of many other Debussy works for Baerenreiter as well.
Post Edited (2020-05-16 02:15)
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Author: Jarmo Hyvakko
Date: 2020-05-16 10:35
I remember having seen an urtext edition and one spot was interesting: the last phrase that begins with a d-sharp grace note plus a crotchet e, goes on with a triplet d-sharp - d - g. I find it much more uninteresting and even boring than Durand's triplet d - e-flat - g, that sounds so juicy, one of the sweetest moments of the whole piece!
Jarmo Hyvakko, Principal Clarinet, Tampere Philharmonic, Finland
Post Edited (2020-05-16 10:39)
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-05-16 13:20
Jarmo: I must admit that we get conditioned by what we've always played and when we go on to the urtext, it sounds wrong to us. A friend of my mine said: "urtexts are like organically grown food. You can't really be sure it's organic. The one thing you can be sure of is that they charge more for it!"
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Author: JohnP
Date: 2020-05-16 13:28
There is a manuscript on IMSLP
https://imslp.org/wiki/Première_rhapsodie_(Debussy%2C_Claude)
Whether this is by a copyist or in Debussy’s own hand is not clear, perhaps someone out there knows more?
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2020-05-16 13:51
JohnP that’s Debussy’s hand.
It’s worth comparing this with the orchestral version. The manuscript and orchestral score both have the same ending.
Understand the piano version has suffered a confusing history with amendments made my players that Debussy May or may not have sanctioned.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-05-16 18:14
Ruben, On the American market, the Baremreiter urtext sells for three dollars less than the Dangain one.
https://www.barenreiter.com/en/shop/product/details/BA7897_90/.
Above is a link to the Barenreiter urtext edition.
Some notable clarinetists who play the Rhapsody from editions that depart from the more familiar "standard" ones are Ricardo Morales and Andre Moisan. Moisan's recording on CD is especially interesting. Historically, Prosper Mimart made some changes when he gave the first performance, and older editions may reflect Mimart's alterations rather than Debussy's original.
Here's a Morales' performance (following some alternatives in the Dangain edition): https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=research+morales+debussy+premiere+rhapsody.
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The Sept. 2018 issue of The Clarinet has an article by Dennis Nygren that recommends the Barenreiter urtext edition.
Post Edited (2020-05-16 21:24)
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Author: brycon
Date: 2020-05-16 19:03
Quote:
I remember having seen an urtext edition and one spot was interesting: the last phrase that begins with a d-sharp grace note plus a crotchet e, goes on with a triplet d-sharp - d - g. I find it much more uninteresting and even boring than Durand's triplet d - e-flat - g, that sounds so juicy, one of the sweetest moments of the whole piece!
The D natural, which many people still play here, clashes harshly with the piano's G dominant chord.
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Author: Jarmo Hyvakko
Date: 2020-05-17 11:08
Yes, but it is soo sexy. Or as they had this jazz workshop "wrong note, a threat or a possibility".
Jarmo Hyvakko, Principal Clarinet, Tampere Philharmonic, Finland
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-05-17 13:28
Jarmo: the great Thelonius Monk said to one of his musicians: "you played the wrong wrong note!" What a great line.
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