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 OT - America rhythm
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-01-05 23:56

Quick question - I'm looking online and don't know how to word a search criterion to come up with it: What is the rhythm called that Bernstein used in "America" - AuuAuu|AuAuAu? (A=acccented, u=unaccented)

I've heard a name but don't remember what it was.

Thanks,
Karl

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: donald 
Date:   2019-01-06 00:20

Huapango?

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Nessie1 
Date:   2019-01-06 00:27

I think the word you are looking for may be hemiola. Typically found in music in 3/4 which then becomes three minims across two bars, most often in the approach to a cadence although Bernstein is writing in 6/8 here However I see in my copy of the score that the main section of the piece (the fast chrous after the slow introduction is marked "Tempo de Huapango" which I have just looked up and a Huapango is apparently a mexican folk dance with singing which includes a lot of foot stomping and does typically include contrasting duple/triple meter.

Hope this helps.

Vanessa.

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Nessie1 
Date:   2019-01-06 00:28

Oops - cross-posted with Donald, above.

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2019-01-06 01:27

12/8. ( 3+3+2+2+2) Is this one particular Montuno?

Freelance woodwind performer

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-01-06 01:42

Nessie1 wrote:

> However I see in my copy of
> the score that the main section of the piece (the fast chrous
> after the slow introduction is marked "Tempo de Huapango" which
> I have just looked up and a Huapango is apparently a mexican
> folk dance with singing which includes a lot of foot stomping
> and does typically include contrasting duple/triple meter.
>

Yes, thank you and donald. I didn't have a score at hand. I think that's probably the word I've heard in the past, if it's what Bernstein referred to.

Karl

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Bennett 2017
Date:   2019-01-06 02:37

Jose Pablo Moncoya's Huapango can be heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HAmrz3-ehI



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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Slowoldman 
Date:   2019-01-07 00:06

Is "hemiola" what you're looking for?

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: elmo lewis 
Date:   2019-01-07 00:24

If you're going to listen to Huapango, please listen to a Mexican orchestra play it and not these stiff-necked Germans.

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: Bennett 2017
Date:   2019-01-07 10:32

Wouldn't it be more helpful to put a link to a version you think better than cast aspersions on the Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra?

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: elmo lewis 
Date:   2019-01-07 22:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bync3WKI7wk




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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: elmo lewis 
Date:   2019-01-07 22:30

I tried to post a link but it didn't work. If you go to YouTube and search "Huapango OSX" the first and fourth videos are pretty decent.

[I put a link in to a traditional one. I live in Mexico - I get to hear huapango :) along with a lot of other variants. I even like professionally-played mariachi as played in the the state of Jalisco since I'm in Guadalajara often. Well, I'll listen for 45 minutes or so, anyway [tongue] . Mark C. ]

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 Re: OT - America rhythm
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-01-08 06:57

A guitar player illustrates and explains the rhythms of the Mexican huapango:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_-327ajlg

For some cultural background see https://windliterature.org/2012/01/23/huapango-by-jose-pablo-moncayo/.



Post Edited (2019-01-08 07:06)

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