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Author: jcm499
Date: 2016-03-18 07:49
I’m having some clarinet-related feelings, and I hope you guys can help me out.
The short problem:
I’m considering a clarinet “upgrade,” but my sentimental attachment to my current horn makes it difficult. What should I do?
The full story, and it’s a bit of a ramble:
I have a Buffet E-12—not the new E-12F, but the old E-12 made under the Buffet name by Schreiber in Germany. It was purchased new for me in 1998, when I was eight years old. I’m now 25. I started playing around age 6, on a clarinet my dad bought for $20 at a swap meet. When I got a teacher through my elementary school, the teacher recommended that my dad buy me a better clarinet, so my dad took me to the local music store. My dad wanted to buy me a plastic Selmer USA because my teacher had explicitly told him not to, and my dad is contrary like that. Fortunately, the young salesgirl suggested I try this Buffet, and she sent me, my dad, and the clarinet into a practice room. I blew my first note—the bottom E—and my dad was so bowled over by the richness and resonance of the tone that he bought the clarinet on the spot, without bargaining. That was very unusual for him—he used to bargain even at department stores, and get it, too!
I played that Buffet E-12 through the rest of elementary school, junior high, high school, college, and law school. We’ve been together through good times and bad, even in law school when I became very depressed and played terribly little. We’ve made music everywhere from bedroom to band room, concert stages, bars and clubs, even Carnegie Hall.
And I suspect it’s a good horn, though I’ve played it since I was a little kid so it’s hard for me to objectively tell. But that it’s considered an intermediate-level student model is causing me anxiety. Maybe the difference between “intermediate” and “professional” is just marketing, and maybe I won’t really get anything by buying a “pro” horn. After all, by the time I reached high school, I noticed some of peers had better clarinets. When I joined the local youth orchestra as principal clarinet, the second clarinetist had a spectacular matched set of R-13 Prestige clarinets in an equally spectacular leather attaché case. (I hadn’t expected to make the orchestra when I auditioned, so I didn’t have an “A” clarinet. When I learned that in fact I did make it in, I hastily bought a Noblet 45 “A” the day before the first rehearsal. So there I was at the first rehearsal, with a one-day old clarinet, having never played in an orchestra before, and the first thing we did was sight-read Capriccio Espagnol. Talk about exhilarating!) In college-- a large, old, well-known private research university on the East Coast of the United States—I joined the orchestra, again as principal clarinet, and the second clarinetist (who I swear was better than me, but I audition well) had those really fancy Backun horns. My “intermediate” horn didn’t stop me from receiving compliments on my tone and intonation in those and other ensembles—I assume those compliments weren’t left-handed!
But on the other hand, now that I’m trying to get back into music after my miserable law school hiatus, how can I play out again in full confidence, knowing I’m not doing everything possible to sound the best I can?
Since I expect to play mostly jazz (always my main interest) now, with little or no legit mixed in, I’m considering an older big-bore clarinet like so many jazzmen seem to favor: Selmer Balanced/Centered Tone, Leblanc Dynamique H, or something. Logically I really have nothing to lose by just buying one, except maybe a few hundred dollars, at most, if it’s terrible and I want to resell it. But somehow—and I know this is crazy—I feel like I’m betraying that Buffet E-12 I’ve played since I was a kid.
What do you think I should do?
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2016-03-18 09:17
I'm in the same boat. I just bought a new horn last week and the intent is to replace my current clarinet. But my Evette and Schaefer has been with me since the beginning. 20 years.
Best of luck. I suspect I'll either sell it to a random person through the Internet, or (hopefully) find some student or friend's kid who I KNOW will treat it right and give them a smokin' deal while giving my clarinet a chance to help someone else make memories.
Sigh. I don't normally get attached to stuff, but Claribell is special. She's just always been there for me.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Pastor Rob
Date: 2016-03-18 11:02
My wife wishes I had that problem. She thinks the 9 I have are quite enough. (That's not counting the red Dazzler I just bought for one of the kids in my church). I am hoping to get my hands on a B&H 1010 or Selmer Center Tone. Or a Leblanc LL. Or a . . .
Pastor Rob Oetman
Leblanc LL (today)
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2016-03-18 11:05
jcm, here's some food for thought: I have a Ridenour RCP-576BC, 1948-type Normandy, Pruefer Festival Six-20, Boosey & Hawkes 8-10, Pan American 884N, and a Vito 7214 in my regular rotation. Not one of these instruments comes close to being a complete substitute for the other five.
Were I you, I'd just keep the E12 and add a jazzer horn to the stable.
Besides, you never want to be caught without a capable backup instrument. From your story, it would seem that you've complete confidence in your E12. Don't underestimate its value as a number two clarinet: someday your number one is going to be out of service!
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2016-03-18 15:50
I'm with Greg. By all means get a better instrument, but hang on to the old one, it may yet serve you well. Remember, the instrument is only a tool.
Tony F.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2016-03-18 16:14
Your old, faithful E12 has very little resale value, so your obvious choice is to keep for sentimental reasons, and also as a backup.
Older large-bore Leblancs (such as the Symphonie series) sell for low prices on eBay and were built like tanks. I'd look there first. And the real jazz instrument is the Albert system. Get a Selmer or Buffet if you can find one at a good price.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2016-03-18 18:19
For sentimental reasons similar to those you describe, I've kept my childhood clarinet, a wooden Conn Director (intermediate) my father bought for me when I was a beginner. It's been more than half a century since I played that clarinet, but I know that if I'd gotten rid of it, I'd have regretted it.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: GeorgeL ★2017
Date: 2016-03-18 18:29
If your miserable law school experience left you with debt and no legal job (as seems to happen too frequently these days), then pondering whether or not to spend money on an expensive clarinet makes sense. If the money you might get for the old clarinet means that much after you purchase the new clarinet, don't buy the new clarinet.
If the misery of law school has been followed by a decent income (as used to happen way back when), then the only question should be what new clarinet to buy.
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2016-03-18 18:30
I love this thread! I wish I had kept my high school / college Noblet, that my folks purchased new for me in 1968.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2016-03-18 19:23
I loved to read this story with its biographical background, worth to be made into a novel or short story. I myself was given a nice old Mittenwald violin when I was ten. My violin "career" however was sort of "miserable" till I ended it at about 16- I wouldn't want to speculate about reasons here . (Anyhow, at 70, I becan playing and collecting clarinets, so something must have lasted). The old violin stayed unplayed and neglected for so many years. But when my eldest granddaughter outgrew her 1/2 size child's violin and got better and better, I had the old instrument repaired ( for about 8 times the sum it had cost 60 years ago), gave it to her- it's still charming and she likes it.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2016-03-18 21:12
Sorry to divert, but I'm curious about something you said. Did you become depressed at school because of not playing, or did you not play because you were depressed? Or were both caused by other circumstances?
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Author: jcm499
Date: 2016-03-19 00:21
Thank you so much for your responses. I know my post was well into “TL;DR” territory, so it means a lot to me that you took the time to help.
GeorgeL: I would not sell my E-12 to buy a new clarinet. I’m fortunate that the money isn’t the issue for me, just a sense of sadness that my future musical experiences would be shared with a different horn. I know some people change instruments like I change socks, but I’m a sentimental monogamist by nature. Not very jazzy, I know. . .
Philip Caron: As to whether I stopped playing because I was depressed or vice versa, I can’t say with certainty, but I think both explanations are correct to a degree. It was an unholy feedback loop. The academy and the profession, particularly in New York City, expect, or demand, that a lawyer has certain traits I lacked. I grew to hate myself and so I tried to become a different person to meet those expectations, and leaving the clarinet behind was part of that self-annihilation. I also gained 60 pounds and lost my hair. I did graduate, and I am working, and now I’m just trying to find a way to be myself in this world. Incidentally, I once asked my dad, who was a professional musician before he became a lawyer, whether he thought law school was a jerk magnet or a jerk factory (only I used a stronger word than “jerk”). He said “Both.”
It sounds like the weight of opinion, so far, is to keep the E-12 and buy a new (hopefully) better horn. It’s impossible to live in this world without attachments, but everything we love is continuously threatened by inevitable change, and ultimately by death, the final and most profound change. As these things go, moving on to a different clarinet isn’t really such big deal after all, is it?
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2016-03-19 00:58
My first clarinet was a Henri Bouche wooden one and I am glad I got rid of it long ago. Now playing an R13 and loving it.
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Author: sax panther
Date: 2016-03-21 12:33
I don't have either of my first two clarinets anymore (A buffet B12, then an E13) - the B12 was sold to a beginner and my sister has the E13 - even though she's a PE teacher, they still get her playing it in the pit band for their school musicals, so it's still getting used!
I bought my leblanc opus new, but I also have a 1973 R13 as a backup. It's older than me, and I often wonder where it's been, who used it, what gigs it's done...If only old clarinets could talk!
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Author: Ed
Date: 2016-03-21 19:09
The clarinet is just a tool to get the job done. If you get the results you want on your current instrument, play it. If you find another instrument that is somehow better- intonation, evenness, response, or gives you some type of result that you cannot get on your trusty instrument, then consider a new instrument.
While some clarinets have been used for jazz playing more than classical, many people play jazz on a standard "classical" set up. It is more about how you play rather than what you play on.
No reason to "upgrade" if you are fine with what you have.
Post Edited (2016-03-21 21:41)
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2016-03-21 21:21
Keep the E12 and find a clarinet beside it that is more suited for jazz.
If you find one you will see that the E12 still has its merits for e.g. classical playing.
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