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Author: the doge
Date: 2014-08-12 01:39
Hello,
I have been searching for a used Buffet E11 for our 12 year old son. I had met with someone yesterday who had advertised one that had recently been serviced and they had the receipt for the service. The issue is that the only markings that I could find on the clarinet was the serial number on the 2 pieces (which matched). Every photo that I have seen of an E11 had the Buffet logo at the top and bottom of the clarinet and often had the germany stamped on it as well. There was no trace of any markings on this clarinet other than the serial numbers and both I and the owner looked very closely. It was also supposed to be only a few years old so any markings should not have worn off that quickly. The owner just emailed me the receipt for the servicing and it is listed as an E11 model. Did Buffet make a clarinet with no markings or did the shop doing the service not know what they were doing? This is a rather large chain band supply store.
Thanks
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-08-12 01:52
My early West German E11 has the Buffet logo on the barrel bell and upper joint but not the lower joint. The serial number was only on the lower joint. That doesn't mean things didn't change later but I see that, even on the current, E12F, there is no logo on the lower joint. What is the serial number? While a characteristic one is not proof that the clarinet is an E11, one that doesn't fit the E11 pattern could rule the clarinet out.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-08-12 02:18
Sorry, can't rule out an E11 based on that. FWIW, the logos on mine are very faint but still visible. If you haven't already, you could you could try shining a bright light at an angle or rubbing over the logo location with chalk.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2014-08-12 03:16
Logos wear off. If you hold an E-11 mouthpiece up facing the register key, register rod is screwed in from the right (screw slot on the right). Most other makers screw it in from the left side. Of course there are other identifying features.
Even if the logo is worn off, it seems that the "Made In Germany" should still be visible near one of the tenons. I'm not at my shop now so I can't check.
Steve Ocone
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Author: pewd
Date: 2014-08-12 03:22
Made in Germany should be visible, stamped into the wood.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: pewd
Date: 2014-08-12 03:49
Interesting timing, a student just dropped one off for repair.
1,092,xxx serial number stamped in the top joint.
There is no 'made in Germany' stamp anywhere.
I never noticed that before. Definitely an E11.
An older one, serial 790,xxx, has 'made in Germany' stamped into the wood
just below the serial number.
FWIW, the painted on logos do wear off very quickly in many cases. You can usually see paint residue if you look closely. However, the one that just came in has no paint, no markings other than the serial. The student is a soph., so its 4+years old.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: the doge
Date: 2014-08-12 06:01
I think the serial number range is alright. My son has a rental Buffet E11 right now that is over the 1 million number but is has all the markings on it.
Post Edited (2014-08-12 06:02)
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Author: GaryH
Date: 2014-08-12 07:16
The seven digit serial number came about about 4-5 years ago. The lack of a logo is common. They were painted on, and can be rubbed off easily enough if the student wipes up their instrument often.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2014-08-23 03:43
These are probably Schreiber made Buffets. Take a knife and run it on the outside of the barrel ...laminate will tear off..I doubt this clarinet is grenadilla.
David Dow
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