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Author: eliotah
Date: 2014-03-16 15:21
Hi :-) i got allot of clarinets most of them are pro quality. the thing that amaze me is That a "The pedler" Hard rubber clarinet that i got for 20$ + shipping and fixed have the best sound of all and the intonation is better then all of them and even better then the R13 test that made here:
http://www.clarinetpages.net/wooden-clar...buffet-r13
basically all the tones are on the 0 and two are 2 and -2
can it be right? or am i missing something i compered it to a big list of very good
clarinets like
Leblanc LL
penzel Muller studio recording
buffet master K series
penzel Muller super brilliant
and more..
at the end this is the clarinet that i use the most.. go figure
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Author: BobD
Date: 2014-03-16 15:30
I've owned a few Pedlers and still have a couple of them. I've found them to be excellent horns in all respects. So....I don't think you are missing anything.
Bob Draznik
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Author: eliotah
Date: 2014-03-16 15:36
Thanks :-) i was just going crazy how can a 20$ clarinet be better then pro clarinets. i guess pedler clarinets are very under rated
thanks for the replay!
Post Edited (2014-03-16 15:41)
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2014-03-17 02:31
But-
If you can't hear the difference, why pay the difference?
;>)
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Author: bradfordlloyd
Date: 2014-03-17 02:38
Anything is possible. But it seems unlikely.
Before you sell your pro clarinets, you may want to get a second opinion.
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Author: eliotah
Date: 2014-03-17 02:50
Thanks for the replay the thing that i can say for sure is the intonation is amazing all notes are on the green apart from -2 and a +2 .
the sound us my opinion but some one else could like another.
it amaze me how come such a clarinet has intonation that is so good
just trying to understand :-)
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Author: wanabe
Date: 2014-03-17 04:02
There are a number of ''vintage'' horns that are very under appreciated. Among them are a few Pruefers, Penzel Muelers, Noblets and probably a few more, but I have only had experience with and/or researched those three. In addition, it is very, very hard to do an unbiased, scientifically based study of any two horns just using your ear and a tuner to test a subject as subjective as the relative ''sound'' of two horns. And remember that half of what you hear about the R13 or a Tosca or any other ''pro grade'' clarinet is a combination of marketing hype and what's popular at this time. Today it's the R13, tomorrow it may be something else. I am playing on a Noblet ''N'' 40. I was actually looking for a model 45 when I ran across this one, but now I don't expect that I will ever play at a level that is above the capabilities of my Noblet 40. I paid about $35.00 for it including the shipping and another $95.00 to have it reconditioned. A pretty good investment if you ask me.
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-03-17 04:42
sometimes it is hard to make assumptions across the board... you don't really know how many hands instrument went through, who worked on it and what work was done. With enough effort any instrument can be made better (however some are much better starting point than others).
http://www.clarinetpages.net/vintage-odd-brands/pedler/pedler-premiere
@wanabe: scratch Pruefers off your list. From what I've seen they have nice tone but generally not very good intonation at least with modern french style MPCs.
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2014-03-17 18:36
@cyclo: I've two playable Pruefers in my collection that play well in tune--a Festival Six-20 and a Special. Both are hard rubber with metal-lined bores.
Pruefers really need to be evaluated on a horn-by-horn basis. Some are wonderful; many are garbage. You just can't tell without an in-hand inspection and test play.
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Author: wanabe
Date: 2014-03-17 19:23
I have a Prefer Festival that I wish that I could get some more information on. I went to the "Clarinet Pages" and looked it up, but only got confused. The Festival tested and reviewed there bears no resemblance to mine. His is a unibody with a metal insert in the bore. Sort of like the Silver Throat, and I have one of those too (Want to buy a vintage clarinet?). Mine is a standard two piece body with no insert. I can find no information on this clarinet. One of these days I'll get around to getting my two Pruefer Albert System horns in A and Bb restored. Also, still to be restored are a Cousenon Monopole and a Penzel Mueller Bel Canto.
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-03-18 18:50
Not sure why this turned into Pruefer discussion.. anyways
@Ursa
Silver Throats could be made to play more or less in tune by installing 1/16" tuning ring on MPC side (with most of playing within 10%). Still C#/G# is incredibly (40%+) sharp and no amount of work can make it play in tune and clear. Unibody Festival may not have issue with C#/G# as they could drill it lower. Or it might as they used the same keys and use the same template. And still even with tuning ring intonations are much worse then on any Vito/Normandy which you can pick for about the same price.
Pruefer Professional had the worse intonations I ever have seen, by large margin much worse then cheap chinese plastic.. And if you look at Phill's reviews at clarinet pages, none of the Pruefers he reviewed had good intonations. But since the Hans Moennig did work for Pruefer in 1920s, and there were some other good craftsman working for G Pruefer, some of their horns could be very good.
Also comparing 3 Pruefers side by side they had exactly same intonations issues (so if tone was off by 20% it was off on other +-3%), using stock MPC or VD45. Which leads me to believe that it was either inherit design issue they ignored, or they were built for very different MPC. Perhaps someone who plays large bore MPC could comment?
@wanabe
"The Festival Model one-piece clarinet, exclusively distributed by Targ & Dinner, Inc., prominent wholesalers.." It has been listed from 1958 to 1974 in different publications. Since it is a stencil, perhaps Pruefer were labeling some of the other models from their lineup as "festival"?
With respect to your Couesnon Monopole, some of them could be re-badged Penzel-Muellers, if the numbers are listed on right side vertically. The story is that when PM went bankrupt some of the stocks got bought out and sold under different names. I have a New Artist which was re-badged and delivered as Bundy, and clarinet pages list Monopole which is clearly a PM horn.
edited grammar
Post Edited (2014-03-18 20:13)
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