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 Orchestral combinations
Author: Wellywood 
Date:   2013-08-19 06:12

Just out of interest; are there many orchestral pieces out there that require the two clarinettists to each play a different keyed clarinet (as in one on Bb, one on A)? For example, Rimsky-Korsakov's Le Coq D'Or suite



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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2013-08-19 09:21

Berg Violin Concerto. 2 Bbs, 3rd on A
Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique, Eb and C

Just a few to get things going.

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2013-08-19 12:43

If you're considering auxiliary clarinets mixed with C, Bb or A sopranos, of course, nearly anything with an Eb clarinet part will involve the Eb and one of the other sopranos at the same time.

Rite of Spring near the beginning has 1st is in A and 2nd and 3rd in Bb. I'm certain I've played something by Richard Strauss - not, I think, one of the 4 most often played tone poems - that involves C and Bb at the same time. Mahler uses C and Bb together in several places among the symphonies.

Karl



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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2013-08-19 12:58

R Strauss' Salome has that difficult A part while the others are on Bb

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2013-08-19 12:59

That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks!

Karl

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: davyd 
Date:   2013-08-19 17:17

In the 4th movement of Cappricio Espagnol, 1st in Bb has mostly melodic lines, while 2nd in A has mostly downward arpeggios.

In the Mercury movement of Holst's The Planets, 1st and 2nd are in A, while 3rd is in Bb.

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: sonicbang 
Date:   2013-08-19 17:26

Zoltán Kodály: Kállai Kettős (Kallo Double Dance)

It's written with two Clar. in A and one Bb. It's a fine piece and the clarinet parts are quite challenging, especially the Bb.

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: sonicbang 
Date:   2013-08-19 18:10

If you don't know this work, see this youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lTC1wkSWkc

There are a few solos in the beginning and the hardest part comes from 4.55.
The clarinet parts are imitating the traditional hungarian-gypsy-folk clarinet style and well, I say it's very hard to imitate that...

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: Ed Palanker 
Date:   2013-08-20 00:33

The Alpine symphony of Strauss comes to mind. The third clarinet is a bass and a C clarinet part. The C part is very independent of the first two. I forgeet if the first two are Bb or A. His Rosenkavilier Suite also has a third clarinet part in A which is independent of the first two in Bb. Of course that's three clarinets not two.

ESP eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: RefacerMan 
Date:   2013-08-21 21:58

The Josef Strauss Sphärenklänge (Music of the Spheres) Waltz, Opus 235 has the first clarinet in D and the second clarinet in C. We performed that piece about 8 years ago with the Longview (TX) Symphony. I transposed the first part onto E-flat clarinet and the second player played it on her C clarinet. It was a lot of fun. I actually could have and should have borrowed a friend's Leblanc D clarinet. The part was in lots of sharps on the E-flat clarinet and would have been in C and G Major on the D Clarinet.

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: genekeyes 2017
Date:   2013-08-22 02:29

Several Strauss operas have separate parts. If I remember correctly, Salome has first and second clarinets in A and third ad fourth in Bb. Elektra has first and second in Bb and 3rd and 4th in A...Both have BC parts and Salome has an Eb part. Arabella also has a separate part for clarinet in C and several of his operas also have Basset horn parts in addition to full complement clarinet parts.

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 Re: Orchestral combinations
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2013-08-22 12:17

Salome has 6 clarinet parts: E-flat/2 B-flat/2 A/ Bass

Elektra also has an E-flat part along with 2 Basset Horns (8 parts total).

The Bass Clarinet in Rosenkavalier doubles on Basset Horn.

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