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Author: eight ten
Date: 2007-09-17 18:26
I need a new mouthpiece for my Bb Boosey & Hawkes 8-10 Clarinet, but don't know the bore size of the 8-10 and which mouthpieces might match it. Would be grateful for any info.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-09-17 19:40
I've messed around with many Boosey models (including an 8-10), all of which have had the same .593" bore, and rest assured you can use any good mouthpiece -- although some on the BB will disagree, it is my OPINION that you don't have to 'bore-match' the mouthpiece to the instrument.
My flame suit (asbestos-free) is on.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-09-18 00:14
8-10 - so would that be the same as an Imperial 926 (silver plated keys and smooth socket rings)?
I know the 1-10 is the same as a Regent and the 2-20 is the same as an Edgware, but this system of model numbers wasn't used on B&H clarinets for the UK market.
And I'll also say that any mouthpiece of your choice will work with it.
Although it has a 14.9mm bore which is large in comparison to clarinets in use today (which are around 14.6mm, give or take a few 0.1mm), it was B&H's standard size bore on most of their clarinets (the 1010 which was their top model has a 15.2mm bore).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: eight ten
Date: 2007-09-18 13:50
The keys are silver plated, but the socket rings have a single centre ridge.
I took the instrument to a well known band instrument supplier, who told me that if I wanted to use any of the Vandoren range of mouthpieces, I would have to have the mouthpiece reamed out to match the bore size. Otherwise the intonation would be distorted.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-09-18 14:27
That seems to be more like an Emperor with these socket rings, which was the model below the Imperial 926.
Any Vandoren mouthpiece will work fine with these without needing to be reamed out as Vandoren mouthpieces have a 14.9mm bore anyway - it's the B&H 1010 clarinets use the large bore mouthpieces.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ray
Date: 2007-09-18 21:14
My 8-10 has rings with one ridge but it is definitely heavily nickel plated.
It is very nicely built with very dense, tight-grained wood. All three tenons have metal caps.
I also find that it plays well with any of my mouthpieces - no extra big bore mouthpiece is necessary.
Twelfths are pretty wide. I have chalked this up to an older design, but would a bigger volume mouthpiece help? I haven't tried a tapered barrel yet.
I have been unable to find out much at all about where it fits in the B&H lineup, though this thread and another recent thread helped a little. I was hoping Chris H might know of this model.
Thanks,
Ray
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-09-18 22:16
By the time I started tinkering with instruments, B&H's oboe and clarinet production had ceased, though they continued making flutes (all stamped with the Buffet logo) until production moved to Schreiber in Germany in the late '90s, and brass instruments (stamped Besson) until production ceased more recently.
The UK lineup of B&H clarinets in the '60s to the '80s was as follows (with the current equivalents in brackets):
Regent (B12 - YCL-26II/250) - moulded plastic body, NP keys
Edgware (E11 - YCL-34II/450) - wooden body, NP keys, inset ebonite tonehole chimneys
Emperor (E13 - YCL-650) - wooden body, SP keys
Imperial 926 (R13/RC - YCL-62II/CX) smooth socket rings
Symphony 1010 (Prestige - YCL-82II/CSG) integral wooden tonehole chimneys and no point or pivot screw mountings for any keys (all rod screws and keys with hollow barrels).
The Edgware through to the Emperor could be ordered with a machined plastic body with inset ebonite tonehole chimneys, and the 926 and 1010 could be ordered with an ebonite body. From the Edgware upwards, they were built in both keys of Bb and A.
But other model names were used (Rudall-Carte Graduate and Starlight, B&H Marlborough, 1-10, 2-20, 8-10, etc.), and the keywork plating and body material would usually be consistant with the standard B&H model names so you can see what the equivalent is - eg. a B&H built clarinet by a different name with a wooden body and nickel plated nickel silver keys is the same as an Edgware.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: HJMagpie
Date: 2012-01-22 06:23
Hi -
I realize that this is an old thread but you are the obvious source for great information.
I have a B & H 8 - 10 SN "N 163552". I was just wondering if you could tell me what year (decade) it was made?
Thank you.
I was just on another thread btw as this is one of 3 clarinets that I have. Thanks to you all for the info on my B&H 4-20.
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2012-01-22 08:31
HJMagpie, your 8-10 dates from 1975.
I also play an 8-10, serial number 163543. Perhaps our two instruments were made on the same day...
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Author: john4256
Date: 2012-01-22 13:18
What good mouthpiece would you recommend for my B & H 10 10's (I have a pair A and B flat)?
I have a Peter Eaton mouthpiece at the moment which was originally for my Selmer 10s which have a narrow bore.
As the 10 10's have a larger bore does that rule out the Peter Eaton mouthpiece?
Post Edited (2012-01-22 13:22)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-01-22 14:13
If it's a peter Eaton Elite mouthpiece (or one for the Elite) then that should be fine with a 1010 as the Elites are based on the B&H 1010.
The narrower bore Eaton International is based on the B&H Imperial 926 (and Emperor, Edgware and Regent), so can use a standard French style mouthpiece. The mouthpiece supplied with the International won't be all that compatible with the 1010 bore.
Ed Pillinger also makes 1010 mouhpieces and I think Brian Ackerman makes copies of them in resin. Some Rossi clarinets have the 1010 bore, so see what they recommend.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2012-01-22 14:15)
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Author: clancy
Date: 2012-01-22 14:21
Hello john4256
I would suggest having your Eaton mpc reamed to 1010 specs. Only a handful of craftsmen know how to properly bore a mpc to 1010 specs - Peter Eaton and the techs at Howarth are the only people I trust for that operation. I will soon be having some reamers made so I can do it myself. Most French mouthpieces can be adapted to 1010 bore with little problems.
Why not send it to Peter and have him ream it?
Or - you can try to find a mouthpiece specifically made for the wide bore clarinets such a Boosey & Hawkes 1010 mpc or Peter Eaton wide bore mpc - often on ebay.co.uk.
Feel free to contact me - I have a number of wide bore mouthpieces for sale - Boosey and Hawkes, Portnoy, Eaton, etc.
Hope that helps
R Wodkowski
www.ramonwodkowski.com
www.facebook.com/WodkowskiMpc
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Author: john4256
Date: 2012-01-22 14:29
Thanks Chris,
My PE m'piece is only labelled Peter Eaton London which was purchased in about 1989 for my Selmer 10s.
It might be that he was only making wide bore instruments way back then so would make the mouthpiece suitable now but I am not sure.
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Author: clancy
Date: 2012-01-22 16:26
If the mpc was made for a Selmer 10 series I would say it is a smaller bore and would not work on a 1010.
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Author: HJMagpie
Date: 2012-01-22 16:52
I live in the Northeastern United States ... New York area.
Can anyone recommend a reliable shop or person to work on my Boosey's when I next need to have them serviced?
Also, any music shops for getting acquainted with a new set of mouthpieces?
Unfortunately Peter Eaton is a little far away for me to reasonably get to.
Thank you.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-01-22 18:29
Contact David Spiegelthal about working on your B&Hs - he posts on here regularly.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2012-01-22 19:20
You can make a pretty good test to see if your mouthpiece has a 1010 bore by either measuring with a guage "or at a pinch by inserting your little finger" as the bore should be virtually parallel all the way to the point where it meets the wind slot.
Windcraft in Maidenhead also have the reamers to open up a french bore to 1010 size and to 926 for that matter.
Most B&H standard bore i.e. non 1010 instruments will work reasonably with many standard mouthpieces but for optimum intonation should have a 926 bore.
It's not the actual end diameter that is different but the rate of change in taper along the bore, which for a 926 is about half way between the typical French and the 1010 taper.
For the record the "B&H official" diameter of the 926 based bores is 0.593" or 15.05mm. Some models made specifically for the US market did have slightly smaller bores.
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2012-01-23 13:49
HJMagpie wrote:
> I live in the Northeastern United States ... New York area.
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> Can anyone recommend a reliable shop or person to work on my
> Boosey's when I next need to have them serviced?
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> Also, any music shops for getting acquainted with a new set of
> mouthpieces?
>
I'll second the recommendation for Dave Spiegelthal. He has overhauled two of my B&H clarinets (a 2-20 Bb and an Edgware A) and I have been happy with both of them. As far as someone local I have heard that Tim Moran is well thought of but have never had him work on any of my instruments so I have no first-hand knowledge.
For trying out mouthpieces you will probably have to make a trip into NYC to find a music store that even has any in stock. Maybe the situation is different in southern CT but in southern CT it can be a challenge to find a music store that even carries reeds let alone mouthpieces. Most seem to just want to sell guitars and drums these days. You may actually be better off just ordering some on trial from Woodwind Brasswind as the selection will almost certainly be much better and you would be able to try the mouthpieces out for a few days rather than a few minutes at a store.
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Author: Hurstfarm
Date: 2012-01-23 18:00
You've had good advice already, and I'd simply add that it's probably worth contacting Peter Eaton on 2 counts. Firstly, I suspect that given the serial number he could confirm the spec of your mouthpiece from his records. Secosupple might well be willing to supply a few mouthpieces on approval, which would address the transatlantic problem. If you have a favourite mouthpiece it will enable him to identify Eaton 'Elite'/1010 bore equivalents with similar dimensions (although not allowing for wear!), and he can explain the different tone chamber options, which are also outlined his website. Mouthpiece choice is a personal thing, but I play Eaton Elites and 1010s, and have not yet found a better alternative to Peter's mouthpieces as companions for these instruments.
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Author: john4256
Date: 2012-01-23 18:23
Thanks guys for all your help. I contacted Peter this moring and his mouthpiece I have at the moment is not suitable for 10 10s.
He is willing to bore it for me for free if I am sure I am not thinking of buying a narrow bore instrument in the future.
As I am not sure about this I have opted to buy one of his G Series wide bore mouthpieces of the same spec as mine.
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Author: jahjamon
Date: 2012-02-09 23:47
help!? please haveing trouble mouthpiece maby maby me {nub}
boosey 8-10 MOUTHPICE MASTERTONE m4 first clarinet not shure
about wind instriments! lot of work can anyone date this rosewood edgware #
#215608 B&H
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-02-09 23:58
Your Edgware was made sometime around 1962-64 at a guess.
It's grenadilla but may look light as it's been left unstained (grenadilla is part of the rosewood family, but more dense and variable in colour from jet black to brown with crimson streaks).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jahjamon
Date: 2012-02-10 00:07
thanks so much thats awsome info im going to keep trying for better tone
would like to find a local shop on vancouver isle for an inspection looks good to me all through pads ect but i dont know much
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