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Re: "Voicing" is a crock

Author: mrn
Date: 2010-03-04 20:53

Paul, I think the problem is that you're defining voicing simply as tongue movement. That's not really what voicing is. Voicing is changing the size and shape of your oral cavity/vocal tract.

Much of that involves some tongue movement, of course, but it is tongue movement of a specific kind--namely, that which expand or contracts or otherwise shapes the oral cavity. Sometimes you can use it change the pitch, but oftentimes you will use it to change the timbre or the resonance of certain notes.

I have actually tried doing the opposite of your experiment, where you keep your tongue stationary and loosen your jaw pressure. The pitch lowers, but not to a very appreciable degree. If you lower your tongue at the same time, however, you can bend pitches a great deal. I can bend a high clarion C about a 5th lower if I use my tongue along with loosening my jaw, for instance.

Also, a lot of the jaw movement I use when bending/adjusting notes is really in the back of my jaw. That joint back there (the TMJ) is more flexible than a simple hinge. And while you don't want to get too carried away with stretching that joint (because it can cause injury), there is an extent to which you can open up your oral cavity without making a very appreciable change to the embouchure (assuming you don't "bite," of course).

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