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Author: Joarkh
Date: 2009-11-27 13:31
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who plays first solo clarinet?
Joar
Clarinet and saxophone teacher, clarinet freelancer
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2009-11-27 17:35
Joarkh wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who plays first solo clarinet?>>
The players swap around all the time anyway, taking it in turns to play the principal line, so it doesn't really matter who nominally was 1st and who 2nd.
Tony
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2009-11-27 17:56
... but the fact that you had to ask means that Sabine Meyer must really be quite talented!
By the way Tony- I really have had many hours of listening pleasure from the recording that you did of this with my teacher!
RIP Thomas
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2009-11-27 19:13
Liquorice wrote:
>> By the way Tony - I really have had many hours of listening pleasure from the recording that you did of this with my teacher!
RIP Thomas>>
Thanks very much -- from both of us:-)
It was, as always, a pleasure to work with him -- and of course his silly, untimely death is a sad loss.
This recording is actually of the other double concerto by Krommer. But the two concerti are similar in very many ways.
Listening to this one, I'm very struck by the extent to which Julian manages to match Sabine's sound and style, to the extent that you can't easily tell who's playing -- something that Thomas and I never achieved.
People have said to me that they find it a positive attribute of the recording that Thomas and I play differently. But I don't really agree, even though I understand the argument. I'd rather we'd been more able to find a middle ground.
He had an approach to phrasing that highlighted, and made 'shine', individual notes to a much greater extent than my own approach -- which is actually closer to the approach on the Meyer/Bliss disc.
I say this only in order to heighten BBoard readers' understanding of the sorts of things that engage performers.
>> ... but the fact that you had to ask means that Sabine Meyer must really be quite talented!>>
The degree to which they match the sounds of their quite different clarinets is amazing. In my view, it's a great tribute to Julian's ever-increasing abilities.
If I have a criticism, it's that they could together have been even more playful, beyond that matching. But of course, the time constraints of recording, as always, probably limited that.
Tony
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2009-11-27 19:44
I wrote:
"I say this only in order to heighten BBoard readers' understanding of the sorts of things that engage performers."
In my present mood, I want to rewrite this sentence to read:
"I say this only in order to heighten the understanding of ALL of the various BBoard readers -- namely, those that are interested, sympathetic, stupid, bigoted, trivial, generous, manically religious, sane, obsessed, vindictive, intelligent, pedantic, ignorant, bloody old towser-faced, po-faced, totem-poles on a crap reservation...etc. etc."
Tony
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Author: vin
Date: 2009-11-27 19:59
I so glad you wrote to me personally, Tony, totem-pole on a crap reservation that I am.
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Author: Joarkh
Date: 2009-11-27 20:50
No, it doesn't, but you have to have names for it... I wrote "first solo clarinet" because I wondered if anyone knew who plays the part that has the first entrance (as I can't tell and would like to know, just out of curiosity), and I assumed that this must be the part marked "first solo clarinet" by Krommer.
Joar
Clarinet and saxophone teacher, clarinet freelancer
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-11-28 08:57
Joarkh.
I am 99% sure that Sabine plays the line which is notated in the score as 1st clarinet.
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-11-28 19:54
I don't have the score to this piece, but I do have this recording. I've also seen a video clip of the recording session on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SishO25qnls
On the video, Julian plays first, then Sabine joins him. If you're listening to the CD in stereo, that would make Sabine the clarinetist on the left and Julian the one on the right. (which also makes sense given where they're standing in the video, which is filmed from behind the orchestra)
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-11-28 23:32
Yes mrn,
The last mvt of this Krommer concerto, the 2nd clarinet begins the last movements, at least in the score. I would say that there's enough evenness between the 2 parts, that there isn't really a '1st clarinet'. But according to the score, Sabine is 1st.
I think it's quite clear to hear who is who. julian has a much softer sound than Sabine, at least in this recording
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