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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-10-27 04:56
Hi
I'm looking for some infromation about an older Selmer Paris bass clarinet. Mainly I'm trying to find if it was their top model at the time, and approx when it was made. I don't know the serial number. The only reason I suspect it is not their top model is because it says DEPOSE. For some reason I thought this means a lower model but maybe this is completely wrong?
It is a low C. It has the Selmer Paris logo and above that DEPOSE. No model name on it. The owner (original) thinks it's from about 15 years ago. I think the 37 model came out 15 years ago and this model is earlier. It has a lyre holder. It has one-piece trill keys. It has a left pinky G#/D# key.
If you go to ebay and search for "selmer paris bass clarinet" there is one result sold by "muncimusiccenter". This one looks mostly the same except shorter and isn't clear if it has the left G#/D# key. Thumb rest, strap rings, shape of keys and linkages, peg holder/screw, etc. all look the same.
So I'm guessing one model before the 37?
Thanks
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-10-27 09:13
I don't think so. Also this is not an instrument I'm considering buying. I'm just interested to find what model it is.
Post Edited (2009-10-27 09:14)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-10-27 12:31
If it has the Selmer Paris logo on it, it will be a top pro model as they only built pro level basses.
Selmer never put the model number on their basses until recently (with the Privilege) and fitted lyre holders to all their older basses - they only carried the logo in between Depose and France on the top joint - all other parts will carry the logo (though the crook might not).
I think you're worrying too much where the model number is concerned - if it's a low C bass by Selmer and an older one, then it should be a good one and you should insure it against their current pro bass - the Privilege.
I think it's worth getting, so get it before someone else does.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2009-10-27 12:32)
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Author: DougR
Date: 2009-10-27 12:46
Well, if it's any help, everything about the instrument pictured (key layout, tenon bands, neck, lyre-holder etc.) looks identical to my Series 9 bass, EXCEPT the bass pictured has the blade-type octave key, whereas my S.9 has the older teardrop octave key. And my S.9 didn't come with either a floor peg socket or the left-hand G#-D# key (which I find odd, assuming that the S.9 was their top-of-the-line horn at the time).
I don't actually know when my S.9 bass was made, early-60s I' m assuming, and I'm sure the blade-type octave key dates this horn as later than that (unless the octave key/thumb key were fitted later--the teardrop octave key on my S.9 is uncomfortable enough that I'd actually considered doing the swap myself at one point).
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-10-27 14:22
DougR, does your Series 9 have the model name engraved anywhere on the clarinet? I think I saw one with this model engraved but maybe I remember wrong. I think the owner was wrong about the age of this bass clarinet but I don't think it's older than 80s.
Chris, you can see in my second post that I'm not interested to buy this and I'm not worrying about anything. I'm only trying to find approx when it was made and what model it is for the owner who is interested.
Thanks
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-10-27 14:38
I have a nice-playing, older Selmer B C [to Eb] In the Vand W[Lower joint] series [ Model 31,32, 33?], 1960's . It's as near to a Full Boehm as possible and its lower register [DRK] vent is different , but satisfactory for both reg. switch and pinch Bb. I'll' be jhappy to discuss it further. It is later than the" Depose's" which I believe only means that a patent application has been filed, no doubt in FR , a warning of copying infringement and law suit. Having owned a number of basses, it is the sole survivor, best to me. I found and worked-up a Getzen BC, likely a Malerne-made, same keywork but only one register vent, fairly satisfactory. tho. Nuff fer naow. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: GeorgeL ★2017
Date: 2009-10-27 15:19
The bass clarinet Clarnibass described is similar to my low Eb bass clarinet, Serial Number A9xxx - which dates it to about 1978.
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Author: 78s2CD
Date: 2009-10-27 16:05
I think the word "DEPOSE", often thought to indicate a model name, simply means something like "Registered Trademark", "Marca Registrada", etc.
Regards,
Jim Lockwood
Rio Rico AZ
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Author: DougR
Date: 2009-10-27 16:27
Clarnibass, the model name on my S.9 is indeed on the top joint under the lyre holder. Sorry I don't have a picture of it, nor can I find one on the web after a quick search, but the stamped text on the top joint below the lyre holder reads as follows (top to bottom):
DEPOSE
[Regular Selmer logo]
FRANCE
[Typical Series 9 logo,exactly as on the soprano clarinets, only larger]
The serial number appears to be R9XX (a letter plus three digits).
Hope this is useful.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2009-10-27 18:11
The Selmer Paris bass clarinets had a major design change in the keywork in the mid 1980's. Among other things, the trill keys were re-designed to work with rotating rods instead of levers, and I don't think they ever went back to the lever trill keys. The instrument you are looking at has the lever trill keys, so it must date from before the mid 1980s.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-10-28 04:22
OK fomr this and other information I could find it seems this is from around 1980. This makes it one of the verstions of the 33 model yes?
>> the trill keys were re-designed <<
Yes they changed this and still use the newer version. But it's the newer version that has the lever trill keys, with a linkage between key and lever to operate. The older version was 1-piece trill keys.
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