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Author: DrH2O
Date: 2009-07-06 17:35
I have one of those flimsy folding metal stands, but it wobbles under the weight of my music folder and is disasterously unstable in even the lightest breeze. I ended up taking my heavy duty stand for our outdoor 4th of July concert so I wouldn't have to worry about it blowing over, but it certainly was inconvenient hauling that heavy full-assembled thing around.
Which portable/folding music stands are preferred by those of you who haul stands around for both indoor and potentailly windy outdoor concerts?
Anne
Clarinet addict
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2009-07-06 20:31
I like the Manhasset portable stand (I think it's called the Voyager model). But I haven't tried any others.
Karl
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-07-06 20:40
K&M (aka König&Meyer) here. You may want a 4-segment stand that needn't be fully extended which adds a lot of stability.
Friend of mine has a weight on a hook which he can hang between the three legs in heavy weather.
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Ben
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Author: skennedy
Date: 2009-07-06 20:52
I like the Nilton stand. It isvery light , very portable, sturdy and small.
http://www.sharmusic.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=1570T&Cat=
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Author: xarkon
Date: 2009-07-06 20:55
I have used the K&M for awhile, and just got the Manhasset.
K&M - folds into a very small package - like a small camera tripod. Nice bag. Much sturdier than the 9.99 stands (pricier too, unfortunately). Stable - when you tighten something it stays in place. Downsides - as well as it is built, too much music sitting on the stand is likely to cause it to sag, especially at full extension. Bottom part of the shelf isn't very deep, so you touch your music, and the pencil, reeds, etc. will fall off.
Manhasset Voyager. Got this because of the downsides of the K&M. My new thinking - K&M goes when I have to travel by air (it will fit in my suitcase easily), Voyager everywhere else. Better/bigger shelf, nice adjustable height (just like the regular Manhasset band/orchestra stands), folds into carrying bag the size of the shelf. Downsides: the clutch that attaches the shelf to the post STINKS. Big time. Bad/cheap design. I didn't have it tight enough the first time and nearly gave myself a nose job while raising the stand height. For $50 (online order) this could be much more elegantly designed. I may have a relative build me an alternate solution.
For what it's worth, I think the "On Stage Stands" music stand sold by GC etc. is also collapsible. It looks heavy duty. But - I don't have one. Here's why:
Standing in GC to buy some accessories. Customer comes in with broken music stand, as follows:
Customer: "I just bought this and the thingy to raise/lower the stand is broke."
Counter guy: "Oh, no problem. Is there another one back there? You can just take it."
Customer: "Same part is broken on that one too."
Hmmmm....no thanks.
Hope that helps.
Dave
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-07-06 21:21
xarkon wrote:
> K&M (...) Bottom part of the shelf isn't
> very deep, so you touch your music, and the pencil, reeds, etc.
> will fall off.
Forgot to mention, there's a plastic accessory shelf extension that can be slid over the bottom part.
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Ben
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Author: Ed
Date: 2009-07-06 22:00
I have a couple of K&M stands. I use the regular folding one and the heavy duty one. For many concert settings I love the heavy duty stand
http://www.muncywinds.com/product.php?productid=371&cat=548&page=1
It is rock solid (as much as a regular black stand). The only drawback is that it is a little heavy to carry, but I am happy to deal with it since it is so solid and secure.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2009-07-07 00:49
I got a Voyager a few years back. It's a decent stand, but they had just changed the locking mechanism where the desk of the stand attaches to the support pole, and the new design is really inferior to the one they used to have.
I checked out some of my fellow community band members' stands (older Voyagers) and the old ones had a very nice lever you could crank on to lock the desk onto the mast. The new we ones attach via a twist lock, which is neither convenient nor secure. I really dislike this part of the stand; it's my only major complaint, though. The Voyager also has (had?) an optional travel bag that is convenient for dragginh it around.
Jeff
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2009-07-07 01:26
Pack a Stand. (MN based company).
Heavy weight but portable and easy to carry. Solid back so you can write on your music. Flaps for carrying music. I paid $50 but would have paid $100 after using it.
DRG
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Author: 78s2CD
Date: 2009-07-07 02:29
I too like the Manhasset Voyager. I too narrowly missed decapitation the first time I pulled up on the desk. This is not a problem after the first experience. If you also get the carrying bag, which I recommend, put the support in feet-first. Otherwise it will quickly wear a hole in the canvas.
Best,
Jim Lockwood
Rio Rico AZ
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Author: GeorgeL ★2017
Date: 2009-07-07 03:34
I use the standard Manhasset concert stand with an optional lock to keep the tube from twisting. It does not fold, but I can carry the stand horizontally by its tube and hold the handle of my instrument case with the same hand.
My favorite stand for windy conditions is a Wiese Manufacturing Co. Model FS. It was found in the early 1990's by a player in another band after a particularly windy concert. It is heavier than the Manhasset, but it folds to fit in a box about 5" square by 2 ft long. My wife made a denim cover with a handle for this box, so it is convenient to carry. The stand has a center tube that is two pieces of nested square 1" tubing. With my foot on one leg of this stand, it is rock solid.
For those of you who can access patent images on the USPTO web site, the general shape of this stand is similar to Design Patent D201,026. I e-mailed the company after seeing the original post and was advised that they got out of the stand business because of foreign competition. They still make music stand lights.
George
Tucson, AZ
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Author: davyd
Date: 2009-07-07 20:03
Another vote for the Manhasset Voyager & its bag, but I might check out some of these others.
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Author: DrH2O
Date: 2009-07-07 22:10
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely check them out. I like the idea of a solid tray on the Voyager, but it's good to know that the locking mechanism is problematic.
Anne
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Author: clariniano
Date: 2009-07-08 13:43
I personally like the Hamilton stands, I've had one for years (I've also had a few other portable stands of other makes, and they broke down within a year), and ifyou use tape or sticky tack to stick the stand to the stage, it should work. Also you can get giant clps to hold your muic onto the stand (though that's not really practical in pieces with more than 2 pages.
You could always use a lighter but sturdy folder, can you store the folder under the chair?
Meri
Please check out my website at: http://donmillsmusicstudio.weebly.com and my blog at: http://clariniano.wordpress.com
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Author: Matt Locker
Date: 2009-07-22 18:42
I will second the recommendation for the Peak folding stand. I've had one for about 3 years now & it works great. The price has come down a lot since I purchased mine - it seems like $30 is the bargain of the year.
MOO,
Matt
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Author: swkeess
Date: 2009-07-23 02:44
I bought the Peak folding music stand two years ago and love it. It's sturdy and lightweight, easy to assemble and disassemble. I was curious to see how the plastic would hold up with use and it has never cracked. Played in outside concerts, it's extremely steady.
Susan Keess
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Author: graham
Date: 2009-07-23 10:22
Perhaps there is a gap in the market for a device along the following lines:
Fold up fabric cone base which is filled (at the venue) with water, making it rigid and very heavy. Water let out at the end of the gig, so it folds away and is very light. The music then rests on a fabric stand construction which has to be inflated with a car tyre pump to a specified pressure at which point it is a very slightly squeezable but essentially rigid and fairly narrow structure which looks and acts like the top of a conventional music stand. At end of gig, let air out and fold away. Lights for reading the music could be incorporated into this device.
Of course it relies on the water and air pump being situated at the venue, but most venues for out door concerts would (or could) be so equipped.
Now, what would be the profit projections for such a device???
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Author: Nessie1
Date: 2009-07-23 12:25
graham wrote:
> Perhaps there is a gap in the market for a device along the
> following lines:
>
> Fold up fabric cone base which is filled (at the venue) with
> water, making it rigid and very heavy. Water let out at the
> end of the gig, so it folds away and is very light. The music
> then rests on a fabric stand construction which has to be
> inflated with a car tyre pump to a specified pressure at which
> point it is a very slightly squeezable but essentially rigid
> and fairly narrow structure which looks and acts like the top
> of a conventional music stand. At end of gig, let air out and
> fold away. Lights for reading the music could be incorporated
> into this device.
>
> Of course it relies on the water and air pump being situated at
> the venue, but most venues for out door concerts would (or
> could) be so equipped.
>
> Now, what would be the profit projections for such a device???
If you are at all serious about this idea, Graham, one issue which I think would need consideration would be the likelihood of mould on the damp portion which has been filled with water when it is stored away.
In terms of profit, I wonder if the idea might be a bit too specialized to make much - a bit like the horse-calming harness which was pitched on Dragon's Den recently (sorry, don't know if you're in an area where you may have seen this but I expect you will get the general idea).
Vanessa.
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Author: graham
Date: 2009-07-23 14:47
Yup; mould retardant treatment to fabric; or disinfectant regime etc..
The Dragon's Den people would want to see how many units had been sold before investing, and in any case none of them is a musician (Meaden rides horses which is why I presume she thought she knew better - I did not see that edition). The problem for the inventor is that people always go for an adapted version of the traditional design. The first cars were motorised horse carriages. Only later does it occur to them that something very different is needed. But first you have to overcome the ridicule pointed at strange objects. My idea, if put into practcie, could only work if every player in the ensemble used one. If only one of them did, then their stand would appear too different to be acceptable. In music performance before audiences, appearances are important. It is a fairly major barrier to entry for a product.
I might send the idea to Wiseman. He would have a feel for the possibilities.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2009-07-23 15:05
The air pump, of course, could be incorporated into the design ... just look at any bicycle mounted pump ...
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Author: soybean
Date: 2009-07-24 20:29
Another vote for the Peak stand. I liked mine so much i bought two. Musicians often approach me to ask about it. If you get one, allow a few minutes to learn how to assemble and dis-assemble. It's a bit tricky but easy once you do it a few times. (Do not lose the carrying bag.)
By the way, Peak makes excellent guitar stands as well.
~Dan
(Leblanc Bliss, Buffet R13 key of A, Yamaha 250 Bb)
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