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Author: moolbora
Date: 2008-04-29 04:23
Hello.
I acquired two buffet clarinets (Bb and A) which have consecutive serial numbers.
Serial numbers are: 128XXX. I tried to find out the year of manufactured and it was 1972.
These clarinets are semi-full boehm. They have auxillary Ab/Eb key, articulated G# etc. but without low eb.
I want to know what kind of model it is. Is this R-13? or RC? or others?
Pictures of these clarinets.
Daniel.
Post Edited (2008-04-29 04:34)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-29 08:35
I'd go with R13 (and can I have a second opinion, please), though don't know the precise catalogue number for these.
I'll do a bit of digging around to see if I can unearth some late '80s B&H literature on Buffet clarinets so I can get the catalogue number.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-04-29 12:04
Buffet in France used no model numbers prior to the introduction of the R-13. According to François Kloc, who is certainly in a position to know, Buffet has used the model number R-13 only for its polycylindrical model.
However, their US catalog, even before the introduction of the R-13, used various numbers, increasing by half numbers, to designate the number of keys. See http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=51143&t=51135 and http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/1998/08/000759.txt.
It appears that your instruments could have been designated R-16s, except that by 1972, I think Buffet had stopped using the catalog numbers.
I'm not sure when Buffet introduced their Moennig barrels, but it was certainly well after 1972, so the barrels in the photos are replacements.
The mouthpiece makers will have to determine whether the mouthpiece is a Chedeville blank.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2008-04-29 14:18
FWIW, both barrels are A-clarinet barrels (model 1231). (May not be a problem.)
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2008-04-29 15:16
i think Ken Shaw has good insight to these clarinets.
I think that in '61 the model with the keywork of your instruments was designated R16-1/2, with "R17" assigned to the Full Boehm instruments withe the low Eb --intended to provide the range of the A in a Bb instrument.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-04-30 01:16
Clarinets in the picture are R13's. All the other professional and semiprofessional models have a model designation below the "Made in France" marking on the Upper Joint. This applies for clarinets made in the main Buffet factory in France only.
Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-04-30 02:08
>"i think Ken Shaw has good insight to these clarinets".<
This is just repeating what other person said and plus taking sides.
1. The master bore R-13 clarinets have been sold in the US since 1930's. In 1955 Buffet introduces the polycylindrical R-13. Mr. Francois Kloc claims Buffet has used the model number R-13 only for its polycylindrical model. So, the model number R-13 used prior 1955 is just coincidence? I really doubt it!
2. Since 1930 the model number for Buffet Evette & Schaeffer clarinet was E13. In 1980 Evette & Schaeffer clarinets became E-13. Coincidence?... Again?
3. The model E10 Evette Sponsored by Buffet clarinet becomes E10 in the 1980's. Coincidence?... Again?
Too many coincidences, don't you think?
Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2008-04-30 18:43
Are we sure that the early R13's were polycylindrical ?
I have an R13 Bb ser no 76xxx (I think 1963) and the top expansion in that is entirely conical - extending down approx as far as A tonehole and then becoming parallel.
It was my understanding that the R13 Vintage had the same configuration intended to return the character of the instrument back more nearly to the original R13. I haven't unfortunately had one in my hands to actually measure.
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