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Author: bcl1dso
Date: 2007-01-21 01:42
Hello,
I was wondering everyone's opinion on both Concerti? Which do you like better and why? As well as any favorite recordings of either?
Also does anyone know where i could acquire the Corigliano clarinet part as well as the piano part?
Thanks
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Author: Ed
Date: 2007-01-21 02:33
Luyben has the Corigliano
Here
Brilliant piece. I have always loved Drucker's recording.
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-01-21 02:34
both works are monumental works for clarinet.....
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2007-01-21 06:43
They're two totally different pieces. The Corigliano is so challenging and so "stream of consciousness" (honestly it's hard to compare it to even much of Corigliano's other music imho) and, really, not much of a crowd pleaser that it's performed very little. I don't know of any other recordings other than Drucker's with Chicago (I think) and Martin Frost's recording.
I have a recording of Artie Shaw playing the Nielsen and it is a fairly good (it has the typical static) recording of the piece. I prefer the Nielsen but it's difficult is as great as the Corigliano in varying ways.
They're difficult, no question. I like hte Nielsen more but I'm not a big fan of those running 32nd notes for pages on end like the Corigliano or Rochberg. Personal preference.
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2007-01-21 10:31
Those are my two favourite concerti for our instrument.
Closely followed by the new release of Magnus Lindbergs new concerto played by Kari Kriikku (a phenomenal work)
My Choices of recordings are these:
Neilsen - Haken Rosengren/Swedish Radio Orchestra/Salonen
(A powerful interpretation with flawless technique and a honest clear tone.)
Corigliano - Richard Stoltzman/London Symphony/Tilson-Thomas
(Stoltzman at his best. An incredible rendition of this huge piece!)
G
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-01-21 12:58
Nielsen always for me. The Corigliano is a great work but the Nielsen for me really captures the essence of Age Oxenvand. I feel the Corigliano doesn't do that so much. There are moments like the opening of the first movment which was designed for Druckers amazing technique. The Nielsen is persnal to the player much like Mozart's and Brahms' works. The Corigliano is personal to the composer because of his fathers relationship with the New York Phil.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Ed
Date: 2007-01-21 22:08
"The Corigliano is so challenging and so "stream of consciousness" (honestly it's hard to compare it to even much of Corigliano's other music imho) and, really, not much of a crowd pleaser that it's performed very little."
I can think of lots of reasons why orchestras may not do this work, but the time I heard it live (in front of a very conservative audience) they LOVED it.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-01-22 01:41
clarinetist04 -
Benny Goodman recorded the Nielsen, but I've never heard of an Artie Shaw recording. Where did you find it? How can I get a copy?
The Nielsen and Corgliano concertos are quite different. The Nielsen is a traditional 19th century style "soloist vs. orchestra/solo and accompaniment" piece, while the Corigliano is more experimental, with the clarinetist walking around and playing with various groups of instruments.
The Nielsen works well with piano, though you need a snare drum player too. I can't imagine the Corigliano done with piano, though there may well be a version for practice.
Corigliano wrote the concerto for Stanley Drucker, and his recording is amazing. I think Michele Zukovsky's live recording is equally good. I haven't heard the newish one by Michael Collins, also recorded live, but it should be excellent.
The Nielsen piano reduction has many typographical errors. See http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Study/NielsenNotes.html
There are many recordings of the Nielsen, but few really good ones. Goodman's is a bad joke. Drucker's is amazing, but, I think, misses the character of the music. Cahuzac was a great musician but was not up to the technical demands. I agree with Eric Nelson that the Scandinavian players do it best. The old Ib Erikson recording, though wild and raw, gets it right, as do Niels Thomsen, Hakan Rosengren and Ole Schill. My favorite is Kjell-Inge Stevensson. There was a rumor of an Oxenvad aircheck, but it turned out to be false. There's an important record of him playing the Nielsen Quintet. He was a master player, and listening to him shows how he played Nielsen.
Ken Shaw
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Author: kev182
Date: 2007-01-23 18:52
Stoltzman has a good recording of the nielsen as well.. and there are quite a few other corigliano recordings. My teacher performed it here a few years ago and everyone seemed to love it, so i disagree about the piece not being a crowd pleaser.
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2007-01-23 19:54
I wasn't saying the Nielsen wasn't a crowd please, rather, that's how I characterized the Corigliano. That's just my experience, others here said the piece was well received...different audiences and to each his own.
Post Edited (2007-01-23 19:54)
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