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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-06-13 17:46
Ok, first, I want to know how to train myself to have a single tongue that could go at least over 16th's quarter=150. My colleague brought to my attention that he does a mental exercise that was given to him by the former principal bassoonist of the Cincinatti Orchestra. Does anyone know who this is or what this exercise he told about is? I sent Mr. Winstead an e-mail hoping he was the guy, but I'm not sure.
Ok, also: I named by Buffet R-13 "Buffy" because it reminded me of the TV character, and it obviously goes with the brand name. Any other clarinet names people would like to share? Oh, and my clarinet is a girl, because I am a boy and would not like my mouth to go onto another boy, seeing as I don't swing that way ...not that I'm against people who do swing that way.....
-Tyler
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-06-13 18:10
Mental exercise? Just thinking about tonguing rapidly will not make you into another Robert Spring. You have to spend the time with the instrument in your mouth...
As I've written a few times before -
Langenus - Part Three, exercises #11 and #12 (pages 22,23).
Do both pages every day for a month and you will notice a marked improvement in your speed.
After 6 months, your new, faster tonguing speed will be "locked in".
However, everyone has an inherent finite point of progress. Eventually you will "hit the wall" and not be able to go any faster.
Work hard (every day) to sustain that final speed...GBK
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Author: bflatclarinetist
Date: 2005-06-13 20:13
My former clarinet, which one of the springs died was named Tweety because at the time I loved to play in the altissimo register and it reminded me of a little bird.
Tonguing fast came be fustrating if you have bad "finger & tongue" cordination. Here's an article from the study section at the woodwind.org:
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Study/TongueFaster.html
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-06-13 21:34
bflat: My tongue is fast in my view, but I want it to be fastER. Focusing on faster air seemed to help a little today--I played 8 16th notes at quarter=150 in the clarion register today (cdefgfedcdefgfedc) a couple times.
GBK: I always thoroughly enjoy your poems.
Thank you,
-Tyler
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Author: BG ★2017
Date: 2005-06-13 22:12
If you find that is was not Bill Winstead that gets the credit for your tonguing method that you are seeking, it might have been Otto Eifert who has long been retired as principal bassoonist of the Cincinnati Symphony. Last I heard, he was living somewhere in the state of Maine. Good luck with your search. Have you ever seen the musical "The Music Man?" The think method was utilized in that movie. I hope the method that you seek is more real than that one was!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-06-13 22:26
I'd be interested in the Winstead mental exercise. Could you please write it out for us?
Thanks.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-06-13 22:55
BG-
What is this about the Music Man? I was the clarinet player in our pit orchestra for it and I didn't see any weird tonguing or ultra fast tonguing. Can you please explain? Thanks!
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Author: vin
Date: 2005-06-13 23:11
To attain maximum tonguing velocity, young clarinetist, you must use the force.
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-06-13 23:19
Sure, I'll write it out if it is sent to me by either my friend I mentioned, or Mr. Winstead.
-Tyler
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Author: Bigno16
Date: 2005-06-13 23:49
"To attain maximum tonguing velocity, young clarinetist, you must use the force."
No, no, no. You have to be Yoda when you say this.
If maximum tonguing velocity you wish to attain, the Force must you use. Clear your mind must be, young clarinetist.
Hehe, sorry, but I love Star Wars.
Clarinetgirl06, I believe BG was saying that "The Think System", as proclaimed by Professor Harold Hill in the Music Man, is ineffective. In other words, a mental exercise may not be the best method to improve one's tonguing. However, in response to your question, there is a very fast Chase Scene in "The Music Man" where the reeds are required to put some rapid tonguing skills into use (double-tonguing would be most effective in that passage). Do you recall that? You may have had the Reed book which rests during that entire scene, as I did, which contains Flute, Bb Clarinet, and Bass Clarinet.
Post Edited (2005-06-13 23:51)
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-06-14 02:11
OH! I remember that scene. Yeah, I think I did have the tonguing stuff during the chase scene..... I think I did alright because it didn't stick out in my mind of being ultra hard..... who knows? I loved the solos in Marian the Librarian. Did you have the really high part at the beginning of the musical where it has lots of altissimo G and A? I had that book and I know there was another book with clarinet in it too which I got passed sometimes...
Ok, gotcha on the think system thing. Thanks!
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