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 Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: marcusl 
Date:   2015-06-15 07:38

I’d like to share an experience and then ask a question at the end.

I studied clarinet from elementary through high school, and then played in my university symphony orchestra for two years until the scholastic demands of my major (physics) caused me to quit the clarinet for good in 1973. Recently, my wife and I came across my old A clarinet while cleaning the basement. I suggested we sell it, thinking that a used Buffet R13 might be worth as much as $500 (I now see that it is worth far more). “Don’t you want to play it first?” she asked. I opened it up. I always kept my mouthpiece, ligature, reeds and other gear with my Bb clarinet (also an R13), but it was stolen from my car in the mid-seventies. The A case still contained the original Buffet mouthpiece that came with the instrument, however, and a single 42-year-old #4 Mitchell Lurie reed. I carefully sanded the reed down until I could nearly see through it and, remembering hearing that players in Mozart’s time attached their reeds with string, tied it onto the mouthpiece with some mason’s line from my toolbox. To my surprise, musical sounds came out. Postponing the proposed sale, I ordered a box of #2 reeds and a Rovner ligature. Having played it a few times since, I have the following observations:

1. The clarinet still feels very natural in my hands except for the odd sensation that the top and bottom sections of the instrument are rotated, even though they are absolutely aligned. Go figure.

2. Although I can play for only 10 minutes at a time before my embouchure gives out, my tone is nice and I’m mostly on key. (The transition from lower to upper notes is not effortless, but that might be a function of the mouthpiece). That this can be true so long after last playing the instrument is a matter of utter astonishment to me.

3. The human central nervous system is a work of wonder. I was able to sight-read some simple Bach pieces transcribed for solo clarinet with reasonable accuracy, then moved on to the Mozart Clarinet Concerto. As I reached the section in the first movement that moves up into the high registers, I began to panic. I could see a high note two bars away that I couldn’t remember what it was or how to sound it—what to do? Then I reached that note and my fingers automatically squeezed the correct keys and my mouth and throat changed shape and the high E sounded nicely! And on I went.

I compare this experience to French, which I studied in college followed by months in France during grad school where I became reasonably fluent, yet today I cannot read even a child’s book like “Le Petit Prince.” Why should clarinet scales, sight-reading and fingerings come out with surprising proficiency? I wonder if it’s the difference between cortical thinking (language involves the highest brain functions) vs. muscle memory. We don’t need to think "breathe in, breathe out" all day long, or think through the myriad steps involved in walking, because they are laid down as circuits in the spinal cord, ganglia, and lower CNS. (This makes evolutionary sense. Imagine if you had to think “ok, swing right leg forward, land on heel and transfer weight to sole, now pick up left leg—no wait, don’t pick it up, arch foot so toe remains on ground then push off and lift while transferring weight to right leg, shift your body a bit to keep your balance...” all the while remembering to breathe in and out. The human race would have been eaten by saber-tooth tigers before we ever had a chance to develop fire or tools.) So I wonder if the muscle memory survival mechanisms that allowed our Australopithecus ancestors to outrun danger now works to permanently encode musical fingerings in neural pathways that, once laid down, can remain dormant for decades but still perform effortlessly when finally called upon again?

Well, so much for amateur musings in physiology, philology and musicology. Here’s my question:

I’d like to continue playing and, perhaps, begin taking lessons again once I retire, but I need to improve first. I also need a new mouthpiece, but I’m in no shape to try and compare a dozen or more, nor would the one that works well for me now necessarily be the one I would need later. Should I suffer on with the Buffet until I improve, or take a chance on buying one now that I may later have to replace? I’d appreciate your thoughts.



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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: Ed Lowry 
Date:   2015-06-15 07:58

You should probably suffer for awhile, if only because your embouchure, as it gets in shape, may change to the extent that the mouthpiece you like now won't be best for your stronger embouchure.

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2015-06-15 08:05

Why wait until you improve before taking lessons? Lessons taken now will hopefully prevent bad habits and poor technique from developing. In your later years (mine also) bad habits are easy to acquire and difficult to lose. Also, an A clarinet won't take you far if you plan to play with any sort of ensemble. Unless you feel the need for an A why not trade it in on a Bb. You could do well out of the exchange, A's fetch higher prices than Bb's. As to the mouthpiece, I'd wait until your embouchure has developed a bit before selecting one. You won't really know what you need until then.

Tony F.

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-06-15 12:37

Well........ chances are it's not such a great mouthpiece. I recall playing one once years ago almost on a bet and I loved it. I thought all the fuss about the stock mouthpieces was exaggerated. So I have tried stock mouthpieces on and off ever since and the rest have been pretty bad.


I'd suggest a Vandoren 5RV Lyre (a pretty standard facing no matter what your level). And for the specifics, most that I see are the "Profile 88" (requires slightly less open stance from mouth) which is fine. Finally you can chose from "standard pitch," (may just not have a designation) or the "13 Series." If you are doing ok with pitch now, I'd suggest the "standard pitch" model is best since the 12ths are naturally more in-tune with the high pitch version. If, however, you are finding it hard to keep pitch down throughout the horn, the "13 Series" rides lower and could help.


The Vandorens are not hideously expensive and Frederic Weiner has the best prices (and a confusing website I might add):

http://shop.weinermusic.com/VANDOREN-PROFILE-88-13-SERIES-Bb-CLARINET-MOUTHPIECE/productinfo/MVP13/

Sorry, it wouldn't post the right option. You want the SECOND one (5RV Lyre) if you click the "options" section.



http://shop.weinermusic.com/VANDOREN-PROFILE-88-Bb-CLARINET-MOUTHPIECE/productinfo/MVP/

Same here, you want the FOURTH option down (5RV Lyre)



.................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: marcusl 
Date:   2015-06-16 05:30

Thanks all for your advice. Concerning trading in for a Bb, I'm putting that down as a long term goal. (If I'm not yet up to identifying a good mouthpiece, I'm certainly not about to go instrument shopping!)

Thanks for the advice on the Vandoren 5RV Lyre. The price you found is really low, so I'm tempted to buy one now. Again, thanks!

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: TomS 
Date:   2015-06-16 17:34

Ditto on 5RV-lyre ... owned several (gave away after suspending playing for a while) playing one last night and amazed how wonderful. Warm but with nice core, smooth response, articulate, easy to control, consistent, available, cheap.

Underrated and forgotten after all the new M-series popularity.

With the right model and strength of a Legere reed, works great.

Local music store stocks a bunch, so I get to pick through a pile ... which can be an advantage, although Vandoren is pretty darn consistent, nowadays.

Tom

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2015-06-16 18:13

If you felt successful up through your university symphony experience, one place to start might be with the mouthpiece you were using then, that was stolen with your Bb, if it's still available.

Karl

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: GeorgeL 2017
Date:   2015-06-16 18:40

I'd suggest you keep the A clarinet. As long as it is just you playing by yourself, the key of the clarinet would seem to be immaterial. If you get to the stage where you are playing well enough to join a group, the A clarinet could be an entry ticket to an orchestra. It should be a lot easier to acquire a Bb clarinet down the road than to acquire an A clarinet.

In your description of restarting playing, you did not describe doing anything to the clarinet. I assume that after a 40 year rest in a case, a clarinet might benefit from a once-over by an instrument repair person.

Of course, for the price of one lesson with a competent clarinetist, you probably will get accurate answers to every question proposed by those who have responded to you, as well as every question you have.



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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: Ursa 
Date:   2015-06-16 21:05

I fully agree with George: Keep the A clarinet for now. You can get back into the game by noodling around with a guitarist friend--you'll both appreciate the guitar-friendliness of an A clarinet. It's great fun and can get your small-ensemble playing back into form in a causal, no-pressure environment.

Besides, you'll likely have to pay much more to replace your A clarinet in the future than what you'll sell it for today.



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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: marcusl 
Date:   2015-06-17 04:54

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"If you felt successful up through your university symphony experience, one place to start might be with the mouthpiece you were using then, that was stolen with your Bb, if it's still available.

Karl"
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That's a worthy thought. It was a Selmer HS* that had been reworked by a shop that my teacher used. Browsing the bboard here, I don't see much about them, especially compared to Vandorens...

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 Re: Old Newbie With Mouthpiece Question
Author: marcusl 
Date:   2015-06-17 05:19

George and Ursa,
Yes, I plan to hold onto the A clarinet for now if for no other reason than I have no need for a Bb, nor the ability (at present) to choose one.

Regarding maintenance, it doesn't appear to need any. The keys move freely and the pads don't stick. I played it for only 2 or maybe 3 years, and infrequently at that since A clarinet parts were uncommon, so maybe it counts as new-ish.

Hmm, thinking and typing about condition prompted me to look down the bore. There is a crack that starts below the upper tenon of the upper piece, runs straight through the A hole, then meanders along for about 7" in total length. It's fairly tight, maybe 1mm at the widest, and doesn't extend through to the outside, but there it is. It makes sense, I suppose, since I moved from the California Bay Area to a dry part of Colorado where the humidity is rarely above 35% and is often in single digits. Do cracks like that require repair?



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