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Author: Merlin
Date: 2006-04-19 20:38
My name is Merlin Williams, and I play bassoon as a double. I do some pit work here in Toronto, and actually get the occasional call for pick up orchestra work.
Playing bassoon also got me a trip to Switzerland last year with a community band!
I play on an older Kohlert with an Ab/Bb trill, keyed up to high Eb. It's also got a D/Eb trill. I had a Fox slide whisper lock added to it.
Being a doubler means having very little time to work on reeds, so I get them from Paul Buttemer in BC. His triangle-well cut is excellent.
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Author: martinbaxter
Date: 2006-04-19 21:52
My name is Martin Baxter and I am an ex-army bassoonist( the British army) after which I became a woodwind teacher for Cumbria County Music service ( I had also played clarinet and sax in my army days) and a freelance player, mostly in the theatre. I have also played oboe and flute. As I have got older I find my embouchure has bacome less flexible and I avoid the oboe.
I later took up the contra. I;m now retired but still play chamber music with friends, and occasionally some jazz and folk. I play on a pre-war Adler with a Heckel 3C crook; for theatre work I used a Southern Brass 0HU and latterly a Huller 4. I used to use Cecil James' excellent reeds, but since his death make my own, which are just about playable. My Contra is a Gebr. Monnig, on which my own reeds work fairly well.
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Author: dummer musiker
Date: 2006-04-20 01:38
My name is Jamie and I'm a bassoonist. I am finishing up my last year of college and preparing to begin my time as a U.S. Army bassoonist (May 25, 2006).
Currently I'm playing on a Fox 220. I make my own reeds and tend to stick to Rigotti cane (right now anyways...).
Martin, you said you own your own contra?! Thats very awesome! I've played my college's contra. I love the beast!
I'm very happy to see a bassoon board up here finally!!
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2006-04-21 06:43
My name is Willy and just recently bought myself a student model bassoon to finally try to learn my first woodwind love.
Got it from yaBe for a good price and just need to have my repair tech look it over and put it right, then will be taking lesson from a local professional player.
Look forward to learning from you seasoned pros.
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Author: DressedToKill
Date: 2006-04-21 14:45
Hi! I'm Josh, and I picked up the bassoon when I was 12, in junior high. I'm primarily a clarinetist, but when I was in high school, I moved, and the new school refused to allow anybody who was not in marching band to play in symphonic band unless they played an instrument that wasn't used on the field. I did not participate in marching band, as I spent my summers and free time during the year playing in various symphony orchestras and chamber groups, so I played a great deal of bassoon in high school, eventually going on to All-Eastern and National band.
Eventually, I did some private study with Judith Leclair and Stephen Dibner. Now, though, I don't play nearly as much as I once did, unless I have the odd sub gig. (I play mostly clarinet, viola, and English horn these days.)
My bassoon is a fully rebuilt Mollenhauer with high E/F, wing Eb trill, Ab/Bb trill, full right and left thumb roller treatments, double-wide F#, and a gentleman's bass joint, and my contra is an Adler.
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Author: dummer musiker
Date: 2006-04-21 16:34
Whats with you people and owning your own contras?! Amazing, truely amazing.
Perhaps someday I'll own a contra...
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
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Author: DressedToKill
Date: 2006-04-21 16:53
It was dead cheap (for a contra...). I got it (used) in spankin'-new condition for $5,500. (Even new I think they're only 9 grand or so...which is not really cheap, but compared to a new Fox at 21,000 or a Mollenhauer or Heckel at 30-50K, or a Wolf at 25K, it's a bargain at twice the price! :-P)
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Author: dummer musiker
Date: 2006-04-21 18:46
Wow, you got an awesome deal on your contra! I love playing contra.
Do you make your own reeds for it? I tried making two contra reeds and they didn't work every well...
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
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Author: martinbaxter
Date: 2006-04-22 15:24
It took me over 30 years to afford my own contra; then I wished I'd done it before. However at a BDRS contra workshop there were three people who had built their own, including on built square bore (like an organ pipe. It sounded OK too.
Don't despise the idea of a home built contra. The London player. James O'Loughlin used one, You can hear it on the old London Baroque Ensemble recording of the Dvorak Serenade reissued 0n Testament (SBT1180). It's an old mono recording but the playing is superb.
Possibly a query via the BDRS website could put you in touch with someone who has made their own contra if you want to give it a go.
Martin
Phone 01229583504
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Author: Ian White
Date: 2006-04-23 21:04
I live a few hundred miles south of Martin near Oxford. (Am rather jealous of him living in Cumbria - my favourite part of the country)
The day job is being a woodwind repairer, as you might expect specialising in bassoon.I play the bassoon & contra in the evenings for fun & bit of money if possible.
I started playing bassoon about 25 years ago - I'd always wanted to while at school but had to make do with the clarinet as my parents couldn't afford one. After 17 years of playing nothing I took the plunge, bought an old bassoon & had lessons for a couple of years - since then have just learnt 'on the job'. I currently play on a 22 year old Kreul & Moosmann - but was really tempted by a 10,000 Heckel I was able to use for a few months last year - sadly I decided I couldn't really afford it & have been kicking myself ever since. About 10 years ago I achieved my next ambition & bought an Adler contra, which I traded in for a Fox a few years later.
Thus I'm kept busy in the local musical scene - doing about 40 - 50 gigs a year - playing with amateur orchestras & for choral societies & amateur operatic societies.
Just to make sure I don't have too many evenings at home I have started to play bari sax - have done a couple of shows with it & regularly play in a big band. (Which is just about to go on a trip to Holland)
Ian White
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-07-29 21:29
Hello:
I'm a bassonist wannabe . . . actually a musician wannabe, as I haven't played in over 45 years, and that was as a clarinetist in high school. I went to a different school in the 10th grade and they had a ragged old bassoon that I played around with - actually learned to read a little bassoon music and play some elementary tunes. Then we moved and I never touched another bassoon, but have loved the bassoon sound ever since, even in pop music like "Winchester Cathedral"
Now we have a newly formed community band and I'm struggling to learn to play the clarinet . . . virtually NOTHING is comming back, so I'm starting all over. Meanwhile I scrounged up a 50 (+/- half a lifetime) year old Lafleur beginner's bassoon that I hope to learn to play if I ever finally relearn anything about music.
EuGene
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Author: cairngorm
Date: 2006-07-30 03:59
Hi, thanks for the reply to my query about store-bought reeds. I've started back playing after a 30-year layoff (!) and am having a ball. I've joined a community band that plays about 15 concerts a year. After finding I didn't remember ANYTHING (I swear I never learned the fingering to those high notes before) I've decided tone has more to do with the reed than anything else. On some reeds I sound quite buzzy, on some I sound really great (I think) and on some others, hard ones usually, I sound loud and tubby. I've used the Weissenborn studies to get myself back up to speed and now find I can hold my own, in the band or in an ensemble we've just formed. Great fun! I'm playing on a 40-year old Adler that is nothing special but does everything I need it to do.
I'll give those Paul Buttemer reeds a try, Merlin.
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Author: ljbarrett
Date: 2006-08-06 13:17
Hello fellow bassoonists
Just surfin' the web and found this most awesome site. I'm a bassoonist in the Calgary Civic Symphony and also a high school teacher. Stopped playing for a couple of years a while ago but now am back at it with a vengeance. Glad to have found some kindred spirits!
I play on a 4000 series Heckel which I purchased from Paul Buttemer nearly 20 years ago (when I was still in high school. Yikes!). It is a beautiful, mellow instrument which is actually more well-suited to chamber music than a full orchestra, but I just can't part with it.
Hey - how many of you have ever gone to the IDRS conference? I've never gone but am considering going next year - do you recommend it?
Lori Barrett
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Author: martinbaxter
Date: 2006-08-13 16:41
I went to an IDRS conference several years ago & would heartily reccommend it, but unfortunately I've never had chance to go again. If you can go - GO
Martin
Phone 01229583504
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Author: nickles8189
Date: 2006-09-02 16:14
i feel so young. all you people talking about contras and being in big orchestras and such. well i've played bassoon for almost four years now, all through high school. it's my primary instrument and i love it. i was originally a flutist (almost 9 years now), and then i started picking up other woodwinds, and then when i got to high school i switched over to bassoon, but i still play in after school ensembles on most of my other instruments (i play about 15). i decided in 7th grade that i wanted to be a band director, so i started teaching myself all these other instruments so that i'd be overly-prepared for college. i expect to go off to moravian college in pa next year and major in music ed. probably march on sax and then do bassoon for everything else. btw, i marched on flute for the first 3 years of high school, being flute captain last year, and now this year got switched to alto sax because they needed an upperclassmen to go be sax captain, so i'm doing that this year, as well as being woodwind captain, meaning i'm in charge of all the section captains of the other woodwind sections in addition to my own. fun stuff. bassoon rocks. peace out.
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Author: Susan Eileen
Date: 2006-09-25 00:07
I'm a clarinet players who started playing bassoon a couple of years ago. Old dogs can learn new tricks but . . . What a difficult instrument! Am playing bassoon in a local community band. Played paino a bit so bass clef was not a mytery, but then there is the tenor . . My bassoon is a Moening Bros. Artist Special -- a studet bassoon. Biggest issue is, of course, the reeds. Have done some work on them -- but without taking them apart.
So how big a deal is the bocal you all use? Maybe that would be a good thread topic.
Find that the bassoon takes away from my more serious clarinet studies and my chamber music.
Susan
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Author: TeaTime
Date: 2006-11-13 04:04
Wooo, yeah high school sophomore bassoonist, haha... Third year playing, taken lessons for a year now, but I'm doing okay. I'm the classic band geek who's life is based in the band hall. Between regular band, jazz band, compeditive marching band, compeditive winter drumline, and my outside youth band and orchestra, I have no life. I'm starting to get pretty serious about this all this music stuff, shooting for University of Michigan or Michigan State for music schoool eventually. But I keep marching because it's fun.
I play on my school's Fox Renard 222 with whisper lock, and high D. Tarnished and chipped finish like no whoa, all thanks to me. (I feel really guilty, it wasn't like that when I first got it end of 8th grade...) My bocal's a Fox 3 CVC, kinda weird, like halfway between a British bend and normal bocal, but I like it.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-11-18 07:45
I took up bassoon when I was 11, but due to the poor condition of the school's bassoon (a knackered old Amati, stamped 'Carl Fischer') I later packed it in after a few years to do sax instead (which is my main instrument) - but learning bassoon was good in that I learnt to read bass clef early on in my musical life, so taking up double-bass and harp weren't met with having to learn a new key signature.
But I have tinkered with bassoons since then, buying an old Orsi bassoon for £50 at an auction (Christie's in South Kensington) which wasn't bad as it plays reasonably well, and I missed out on an old rosewood Buffet which went for more than my maximum - not sure if it was sharp pitch, but this Orsi didn't need much doing to it to get it playable.
I am fascinated by French system bassoons, and bought an old Selmer off e**y (stamped U.S.Q.M.C. above the right thumb hole) - but I do need a French crook to go with it (as the German crooks aren't all that compatible), and new ones are several times the price I paid for it - considering the poor condition it's in (though it will play) it's not all that economical, and I might bide my time to see if a (modern pitch) Buffet comes on the market for a reasonable sum.
Though to be honest I'd rather be a contra player - and the new Amati contras have tempted me several times, but always at the wrong time - they're in short supply and high demand, so they're never around when I'm feeling flush and then they turn up when I'm strapped for cash. But I might look into a Buffet (French system) contra if I win the lottery.
Too bad I don't do the lottery.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: random_noise
Date: 2006-12-23 18:42
Hmmm... Well let's see I've been playing bassoon for three years now, I play on a Bundy bassoon, which is odd because I believe Bundy is known for making clarinets. I got bored and google searched 'bassoon forum' and found this and the forum at 8notes.com. So, yeah, it's nice to see other bassoonists about, I also play the tenor sax for marching band, and I used to play piano (still do but I don't take lessons and frankly I am not motivated enough to keep practicing). I've never played a contra bassoon, but they look freakin' sweet. Yeah well that's me.
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Author: Bah Bah Bassoon
Date: 2007-10-09 20:18
Hello!
I played bassoon at school and then had a long rest...like over 20 years!
Started playing bassoon again a couple of years ago and now I can't put the thing down! Have bought a gorgeous 30 year old Puchner and it sings like a wonderful baritone singer - but better!
I'll play in anything I'm allowed to join!
At present am playing in a Concert Band, an Orchestra, various small ensembles - sometimes playing oboe part or reading clarinet part and attempting to transpose which teaches you to read tenor clef better.
Have joined a Show Band and play the trombone part. Couldn't be heard with loadsa saxophones playing so I am amplified when I play in the Show Band. Also attempt to play in an Improvisation Group and again have to be amplified for that too.
Starting to give a few solos with piano accompaniment or CD backing tape.
Tend to play well known songs that everybody recognises rather than classical.
Delighted to learn there are so many of you bassoonists out there. Last time round when I played (in the 1970's - yeh before many of you weren't born!) it was very lonely being a bassoonist.
KEEN AMATEUR
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Author: vgellin
Date: 2008-01-15 20:11
I have been playing proffesionally since I was 17. I have played Principal Bassoon in the Winnipeg Symphony and the Manitoba Chamber Orchestra for over 32 years. I have since left the deafening confines of the "orchestral" life to pursue a solo and chamber career performing both classical and modern music. I have just finished recording the Paganni 24th Caprice on a private label (with Frank Morelli's permission) soon to be finished. I have also played at a number IDRS conferences including a complete Skalkottas Cycle Concert with Dutch and Parisian Musicians in Rotterdam in 1995. That's enough of this. I find this site really interesting even as an accomplished bassoonist.
Vincent Ellin
Bassoon Soloist
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Author: dzredhead
Date: 2008-04-12 23:29
I live in the Memphis TN area..
Still need any advice out there!!!!!!!! THANKS!
I started playing the bassoon in the 7th grade. The bassoon was my concert instrument and the bells were my marching instrument. I somehow managed to make All-Region and All-State every year! I also managed to get enough scholarship money to pay for nursing school and paramedic training! Yeah!!
After about a 20 year hiatus, I decided to take a chance and joined my church orchestra and a community band in Memphis.
I have really been amazed how much has come back. I have had to search for some things I either couldn't remember or just plain didn't know. The internet has been a great source of information. What did we do before computers and the internet?
Being unsure of how things were going to work out, I have been renting a Linton (wooden) bassoon. According to Linton going on the serial number it was made in the 40's. Amro Music in Memphis had completely overhauled the instrument and it has been perfect and inexpensive to meet my needs.
Last week, my WONDERFUL, FANTASTIC husband ordered me and Fox Renard 222D, which will be here within the month. I can't hardly stand the waiting. I know this is not an instrument for a professional, but it should certainly meet my needs......did I say I am so excited and can't hardly wait?!?!?!?
I never got into reed making. Have not a clue even where or how to start. Anyone out there that would at least point in the right direction? It really would be appreciated!
Any and all words of wisdom would be appreciated. Our church director knows nothing about the bassoon, so I have truly been on my own! I even got up the nerve to play a solo during our recent Easter musical. That for me was a MAJOR step.
Hope to get lots of good useful advice!
Thanks a bunch,
Robin
“when my time comes, don't be sorry for me; I'll be kicking up gold dust on the streets of glory.” ....Dr. Adrian Rogers
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Author: BlueBear364
Date: 2008-07-06 23:00
My name is Rachel Kumar and I live in Calgary, Alberta. I graduated from the University of Alberta with a degree in Music Education in November of 1995. Let's just say that my bassoon (an entry level Schreiber I bought in high school) has been in it's case a lot more than it has been out. I remember those grand days of playing in orchestras and concert bands and I really miss it. I've decided I want to play again.
When I was in university, I played on Paul Buttemer reeds, they were fantastic! But I played yellow ones and on his website it appears that the colour codes have changed. Does anyone know what the equivalent of the old yellow is?
I'm also really afraid that I will open the bassoon case and moths will fly out. Does anyone know of a bassoon repair person where I can get a good tune up?
Also, if you live in Calgary and give lessons, or know someone who does, I would love to hear from you!
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Author: Merlin_Williams
Date: 2008-07-07 11:06
Hi Rachel,
Unfortunately, Paul Buttemer recently passed away. It's not known what will happen to his reedmaking business at this point.
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Author: Pete_K
Date: 2010-02-01 00:08
Hi everyone,
My first post here. I played bassoon in Junior High, High School and College, a total of nine or so years. Played in various school and community bands and orchestras. Even played for one season with the San Diego Symphony. Stopped playing in 1970 when I went to grad school so I could concentrate on my studies. Late last year (2009) I was contacted by a friend whom I knew from Junior High who was also involved in music (cello). She tried to convince me to take up playing again, but I didn't, at first. I then reconnected with another friend from those days (played oboe). He alerted me to a music store (Forrests) where I lived in Berkeley and that specialized in double reeds. I went there yesterday and, on impulse, rented a bassoon. So, after a hiatus of 40 years, I'm back in business. Hoping to see how difficult it is to pick up playing again. If my interest holds, I'd like to play in a community orchestra or other ensemble.
Pete Klimek
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Author: Jaysne
Date: 2010-02-03 02:44
I'm Jim and I live in western Massachusetts. By day I'm a school band director. My main horn is sax, but I double on all the band instruments. I first took up bassoon in grad school 10 years ago but started taking it seriously about three years ago.
My horn is a maple Kohlert. I got it from a guitar player for $350 and an old soprano sax. It's a few steps down from a pro model, but it plays very nicely and I really enjoy it. I get my reeds handmade from my teacher, who charges me all of $10 a pop.
After playing a few pick-up gigs with it, I ended up playing first chair last summer with an area orchestra. When I got the music a month before the concert, it had notes I had never even seen before, much less played from some pretty heavy hitters--Haydn, Bartok, Mendelssohn. But practice every day made the gig a breeze.
Out of all the instruments I play, bassoon is one of the most fun. When I have time to practice, I work on some Danzi concertos. They're delightful!
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Author: edgar
Date: 2010-07-11 10:03
My name is Edgar Huckert. I live in northern Bavaria in Germany. I play bassoon (a rather new Schreiber model S16) since two years. As I play
also other wind instruments (clarinet, saxophone, oboe) and double bass I am able now to play on an advanced amateur level.
From time to time I write arrangements for classical ensembles, jazz ensembles or "salon music" groups.
You may find some PDFs and Midi files produced by me on my "wind music pages" on http://www.huckert.com/ehuckert/cldownload.htm - among them the very nice bassoon concerto by J.A.Kozeluch.
Please note that many of my Midi files four double bass can also be played on bassoon, see http://www.huckert.com/ehuckert/kbdownload.htm.
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Author: lowreedguy
Date: 2010-07-24 02:26
Greetings All!!
I am new to this Board and am very impreseed by what I read. I thought it was time to join in.
My name is Orin Jacobs and I live in Miami, FL. I am a bassoonist by default of time spent on it (I, too, started in 7th grade), but I have also been doubling since HS when I learned Tenor Sax for Marching Band. Then I started playing musicals and was hooked!! But I did concentrate on bassoon for my education--Bachelor's and Master's. I played in upstate NY and NJ before moving here for my wife's job. Not a huge scene here for playing, but there is some good opportuniues that I have the good fortune to play.
My instrument for all these years (since I bought it in college) is a
Fox Renard 220 from the early '80's before the redesign of the Renards. So it's a short bore with a French bell. I had the chance to visit the factory and picked out a CVX bocal (crook) for it that matches quite well. Yes it is true---a good quality bocal makes all the difference!! I do make my own reeds and that is always an adventure.
I noticed that some people are looking for suggestions for instruments. I am a Fox supporter all the way. A series of theirs that is overlooked is the "Roman Numeral" batch--especially the model III. Yes it's made of plastic, but it is NOT injection-molded. It is drilled from solid blocks just like a wooden instrument. It was designed many years ago for pros that had outdoor jobs that did not want to take their wooden varnished instruments into the sun. Very good quality!! They turn up on the "E" site with some regularity. You can tell it apart from the student plastic ones because it has metal bands at the joints and a "Fox" stamp on the top boot ring. Most people list them fairly cheaply because they are plastic. Even if it needs repair work, it is a good investment.
I hope to contribute more to this and the doublers board. Thanks to the creator of these cool places for us to converse!!
Cheers
Orin Jacobs
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Author: Lizziebeth
Date: 2010-08-21 09:05
Hi,
I was just wondering if you could give me a heads up about the Moosmann bassoon you had, as I'm trying to find a good brand for an intermediate level player like myself. I am looking to buy one, but I wanted to get some feedback from someone who has already had this brand.. I currently have a wooden Schriber, but have previously had a beginner level Fox. Would you reccomend this brand??
Thanks,
Liz.
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Author: cairngorm
Date: 2010-08-22 00:34
Liz, I can recommend the Moosmanns heartily, having been a user for the last 5 or so years. This is my 3rd bassoon and the one which will see me out, likely. You find many semi-pros playing this bassoon, as well as students and pros. They have student, intermediate, and professional level bassoons and I think are good value for money.
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2011-03-19 17:13
Hello everyone!
My name is Jenn and I'm an aspiring basson doubler. I'm primarily a clarinetist and have been wanting to pick up the bassoon for challenge... I have the time to practice, I have the gumption, and the patience.
I'm sure I'll find tons of nice, happy people on here to help me along.
Good to be here!
-Jenn
Circa 1940s Zebra Pan Am
1972 Noblet Paris 27
Leblanc Bliss 210
1928 Selmer Full Boehm in A
Amateur tech, amateur clarinetist, looking to learn!
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Author: wietsma
Date: 2011-11-20 02:20
I'm a middle schooler, playing in high school technique books. My instrument has a hard time playing the low notes because some of the pads won't seal correctly, but is very good with high notes. I started just about a year ago, but have already taught for a few weeks.
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Author: Ian White
Date: 2011-11-20 10:51
Hi Wietsma welcome to the forum.
Life will be much more fun with a fully functional bassoon!!
Don't just accept that it won't work at the bottom end - if it's a school horn pester them to get it fixed or if it's yours find a good technician.
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Author: wietsma
Date: 2011-11-20 21:48
Just one more year, then high school, and a different, hopefully better bassoon!
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Author: Willy
Date: 2014-06-18 15:18
Hello,
I (try to) play the bassoon since september last year, so not even a full year :-)
Aged 59 and without any previous musical experience, I just now ended
my first year at the local music academy. Until now, it has been a real adventure!
I feel lucky to rent a bassoon from the school, I don't think I would have
started if I had to buy one myself. This may/will eventually be the case, but
since I didn't know if I would succeed in playing the bassoon, it would
have been rather risky to buy such an expensive instrument from the start.
School fees are also vey acceptable here in Belgium.
In the mean time I also make my own reeds, starting from gouged and profiled
cane delivered to me by my teacher. The reed making proccess seems black
magic at times, but I enjoy doing it, somewhat more if a reed will play :-)
Willy
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Author: runner
Date: 2017-03-26 16:39
Hi, I'm Bob Kuebler (Keebler) and am one week older than Donald Trump. A clarinetist in undergrad school, I took up bassoon at the suggestion of the bassoonist in "No,No Nannette" on Broadway. I more or less taught myself sax and learned flute in Techniques class.
I studied with Ronald Phillips of the Cleveland Orchestra. I also studied with John Kepperly who, in addition to playing bass drum for four years in the Ohio University Marching Band (voted twice by ESPN as the best marching band in the country) John was principal bassoon of the original Ohio Chamber Orchestra.
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