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Author: curlygirl
Date: 2013-04-30 15:59
Hi there,
I'm searching for a second hand Cor Anglais, and there seems to be a long waiting list at both Howarths and Crowthers, so I thought I'd post here, and see if anyone knows of one that's being sold.
Many thanks,
Lisa
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Author: WoodwindOz
Date: 2013-04-30 20:38
Hi Lisa,
Even though it sounds like you're in the UK, I'd recommend you contact either/both Peter Hurd at <oboes.us> or Hannah Selznick at http://www.hannahsoboes.com/. Both are US based but I believe both have dealt internationally and will likely have a range for you to choose from.
Lucky you to be buying a cor! Good luck!
Rachel
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-04-30 21:25
Chances are if you do buy one from overseas, it'll be pure conservatoire system so you'll have to get a thumbplate added if you play thumbplate/dual system.
Be aware you'll also have to pay out an additional 20% of the value in import duty on instruments from the US (and outside the EU), plus around £10 in handling fees.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: WoodwindOz
Date: 2013-04-30 21:45
I forgot about that, Chris...being Australian I don't have to worry about thumbplate and assume I will just purchase overseas where there is choice!
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2013-05-01 07:20
I have found that sometimes even paying the duty/customs fees for entering a cor into the UK, it is still less expensive and far easier to find a cor in the US and ship it to the UK than to track down and buy a second hand cor within the UK...
A dearth of second hand cors in Australia also...
With best wishes,
Peter
Oboes.us
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Author: WoodwindOz
Date: 2013-05-01 20:03
Peter, there is a dearth even of second hand oboes in Australia!
I know that when I finally have enough money to buy my own cor, you will be my first point of contact!
Rachel
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2013-05-02 01:27
Thanks Rachel- I have sent a myriad of instruments (though mostly cors) to Australia over the years...
With best wishes,
Peter
Oboes.us
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Author: curlygirl
Date: 2013-05-02 11:16
Thanks for the options about looking overseas and additional charges that may be incurred, but I'd really like to be able to try an instrument before I purchase it.
Lisa
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Author: curlygirl
Date: 2013-05-02 11:19
I had seen those two instruments, but don't recognise the makes - Kreul and Santoni, so was going to take advice. I play a Marigaux oboe and whilst I'd love a Marigaux Cor, I don't think my budget will stretch that far, so was thinking of a Howath S40
Lisa
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Author: oboe-owl
Date: 2013-05-02 16:34
I don't think they don't have anything in stock at the moment, but it might be worth checking out John Packer, a shop in Taunton. Their website is http://www.johnpacker.co.uk and you can sign up for their cor/oboe waiting list. I bought my cor second hand from them, and they were very helpful. Best of luck!
Sophie
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Author: Merlin_Williams
Date: 2013-05-03 00:33
Kreul EHs are generally quite good. Miraphone is a stenciled Kreul, IIRC.
Here's the info from oboes.us:
KREUL - A first class maker. Stencils: Kreul/Mirafone, Gordet "German" model, Lucerne, Eneg. Note: some Lucerne stencils NOT by Kreul. The Kreul oboes have a beautiful, sumptuous, dark sound brimming with personality. Very "forgiving" to play and locks in on pitch centers. Built to "withstand nuclear attack." Keywork is of a much harder alloy than the usual French oboes. Ergonomically best for persons with having large hands. The "German model" Gordet/Kreul and "Lucerne" stencil is in fact a different instrument from the "standard" Kreul though at first glance nearly identical in appearance. The Gordet/Kreul and Lucerne/Kreul will be much heavier physically than the standard Kreul or Kreul/Mirafone, with much thicker wall diameter. The Gordet/Kreul and the Lucerne/Kreul produce the "darkest" oboe timbre of any make I know of. The "standard" Kreul oboe, though somewhat "dark" sounding, still has an element of brightness. I admire Kreul oboes, though I prefer the usual Hans Kreul and Hans Kreul/Mirafone to the Gordet and "Lucerne" Kreul models. It is possible on occasion to find a "Kreul" (or "Hans Kreul") oboe this is in fact the same model as the heavy "Gordet" or Lucerne/Kreul. Conversely, it is on rare occasion possible to find a German Kreul "Gordet" oboe that is in fact the lighter weight "standard" Kreul model. Excellent value for money. Kreul radically redesigned the keywork patterns in the 1990s- most of the key touches became flat, in stark contrast to the earlier "domed" touch surfaces- "flat keyboard" effect- takes time to become accustomed to the flat surfaces. Sadly, Kreul ceased production in the late 1990s.
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Stratford Shakespeare Festival musician
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-05-03 06:03
And be aware Kreul is pronounced "croyal" and not "cruel"!
Some Lucerne Artist stencil oboes are Marigaux 901s.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2013-05-05 01:01
"Lucerne" stenciled many different brands.
In the English horn department, Lucerne stenciled:
Cabart, Kreul, Malerne, Marigaux, possibly others.
Oboes.us
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Author: curlygirl
Date: 2013-05-11 10:27
Thanks for all your help and advice. I tried out both the Cors at Myatts, but neither was suitable, so my hunt continues!
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