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Author: JRC
Date: 2010-09-10 15:41
Hi! I have been following this thread and found it very informative and interesting. I see many references to French, German, and American ways of playing and types of reed. Very interesting indeed! I envy you folks having learned oboe, not just playing, but also the basics, from teachers.
I started making reeds without the benefit of teachers. I just had few principles I made up. The tip should be very thin. The thickness of a reed should be gradually thicker toward the staple. But I had an idea about the sound I did not want to make. I did not like the ducky reedy sound that some Europeans players made. It bothered me just listening to it... almost like biting into a lemon...loved the expressiveness but too sour. I did not like the creamy sound that some Americans made... almost like creamy milk chocolate... loved the first bite but get tired of it after awhile. I wanted to make a sound equivalent of peaches... juicy sweet and soft, yet with enough sourness to stand out. Then I discovered there are wide varieties of peaches I liked with different combination of sweetness, softness, sourness, and juiciness but all has that peach aroma. My goal was to make peach taste oboe sound.
I use to be able to make different reeds for different expressions. I was never been able to make one to sound such way. It turned out sounding different and I accepted them if they turn out within my tolerance. I found every reed I made looked different. Actually they ended up looking different, not that I try to make them different. Making reed was a process, a long process. Started with a long tip and some meat in the middle (this is to avoid sounding like a duck), I keep scraping it and cutting the tips while keep playing on it until I am happy with it or turned our acceptable. Some ended up a long scrape, some short, some with a large meat in the middle, some almost no meat in the middle. But all of them have smooth contour, no abrupt hump. All of them are thinner toward the tip. It usually takes me a month before I know the reed is going to stay in my reed case. I do agree with Robin that a reed does not need to look the same to sound the same. On the other hand no reed ever sounds the same to me, yet I do have distinct sound people seems to recognize.
I envy you folks having learned things from teachers who also learned from teachers. Please keep discussing. I am learning a lot here.
One thing does confuse me. What is dark sound that everyone seems to want and seem to understand what it means? Is it just opposite to reedy ducky sound, which really does not narrow the meaning that much? I do recognize most, if not all, American oboe players sound dark, but they all seem to sound alike to me. On the other hand, for instance, which one of these popular European oboe player's sound is considered not dark; Heinz Holliger, Leon Goossens, Pierre Pierlot, Andre Lardrot, or Robert Casier? They do sound very different and distinct, unlike today's American players.
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-16 10:50 |
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Chris P |
2010-06-16 11:50 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-17 07:47 |
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jhoyla |
2010-06-16 17:39 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-16 22:45 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-18 00:10 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-18 03:27 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-18 10:05 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-18 11:05 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-18 16:38 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-18 23:37 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-18 16:46 |
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Chris P |
2010-06-16 23:03 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-17 02:06 |
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hautbois francais |
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jhoyla |
2010-06-17 05:50 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-17 06:22 |
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ceri |
2010-06-17 20:21 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-17 23:28 |
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ceri |
2010-06-18 20:32 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-19 00:26 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-19 01:38 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-19 18:28 |
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ceri |
2010-06-19 13:16 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-19 14:43 |
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HautboisJJ |
2010-06-19 17:34 |
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jhoyla |
2010-06-19 21:30 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-20 01:16 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-20 01:20 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-20 05:49 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-06-21 03:02 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-06-21 10:13 |
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hautbois francais |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-08-18 13:23 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-08-20 07:56 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-08-20 10:28 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-08-20 23:05 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-08-21 03:23 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-08-20 23:15 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-08-21 03:37 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-08-21 06:33 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-08-29 00:22 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-08-29 23:02 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-06 00:44 |
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ceri |
2010-09-06 14:48 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-09-07 09:57 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-07 09:38 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-07 10:21 |
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ceri |
2010-09-07 14:56 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-07 16:10 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-09-07 22:33 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-08 00:18 |
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ceri |
2010-09-08 11:22 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-09-08 12:47 |
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GoodWinds |
2010-09-09 03:49 |
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ceri |
2010-09-09 07:17 |
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JRC |
2010-09-10 15:41 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-09-10 16:56 |
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JRC |
2010-09-10 18:37 |
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wkleung |
2010-09-10 19:10 |
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JRC |
2010-09-10 19:54 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-11 15:30 |
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RobinDesHautbois |
2010-09-11 17:15 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-12 00:07 |
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mjfoboe |
2010-09-12 03:16 |
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hautbois francais |
2010-09-12 03:23 |
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mjfoboe |
2010-09-12 12:21 |
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ceri |
2010-09-14 12:42 |
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