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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-08-02 21:00
I've got the same birthday as him!
Just found this on YouTube of him playing oboe and cor in this octet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgglQuGM9q4 and in this recording (that you'll have to copy&paste): http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=fK1iJwCAN4w&feature=related
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2010-08-02 21:07)
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2010-08-02 22:42
Mitch Miller was my teacher's (Melvin Kaplan) teacher in NYC. Even back when I was studying with Mel (in the '50s and early '60s) Mitch was known so well for his sing-along TV appearances that his presence as a oboist was much overshadowed. My impression, from my work with Mel and from watching Mitch on TV, was that Mitch translated his sense of vocal line to his oboe musicianship (or oboe to voice). And that sense of line is what I most appreciate about the teachings of my teacher.
Elizabeth
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Author: Dwight Manning
Date: 2010-08-03 13:10
According to Bernard Sherman of Iowa City, Iowa:
After the war, de Lancie became Associate First Oboist of the Philadelphia Orchestra. Strauss instructed his publisher to give de Lancie the rights for the American premiere, but the honor was denied him when the Philadelphia's celebrated principal oboist, Marcel Tabuteau, threw a fit at the thought of being upstaged. Instead of giving the rights to Tabuteau, De Lancie conferred them on a friend of his in the CBS Symphony - the young oboist Mitchell Miller, later famous as the host of an American pops TV show, "Sing along with Mitch.".
Quoted from Gramophone, December, 2003, p. 26 (Letters to the editor) and April 2004 (p. 22)
Dwight Manning
Teachers College, Columbia University
525 West 120th St. New York, NY 10027
212-678-8252 <dm2723@columbia.edu>
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Author: mschmidt
Date: 2010-08-03 17:23
Very interesting!
Mike
Still an Amateur, but not really middle-aged anymore
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2010-08-04 17:57
There's a very scratchy recording on YouTube of The Swan of Tuonela by Leopold Stokowski and "His Orchestra," crediting the English horn solo to Mitchell Miller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B9i38iDrVk.
However, it's played on alto sax, not English horn. Listen particularly at 2:54. I play both sax and oboe, and the sax tone and way of moving from one note to the next are unmistakable. I never heard that Mitch Miller played sax, though he may have. Anybody know?
Ken Shaw
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-08-04 18:41
That's an odd one as it sounds very much like a cor (an alto sax will have a much fuller sound overall) - and at that point (2:54) the cor has C# - B-C#-B-G and the alto sax would have D# - C#-D#-C#-A so the phrase starts with an upper register note dropping to a lower register note on both instruments with both instruments giving that difference in tone.
I don't know - to me it sounds like a cor played with a very thick velvety tone and some of the notes have the weakness of the cor. If it is an alto sax, then I take my hat off for him making an alto sound very much like a cor!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: mschmidt
Date: 2010-08-04 18:50
It was photoshopped, obviously!
Really, it seems that given (a) the part was written for English horn, (b) Mitch Miller played English horn, and (c) the recording isn't great, I think you'll have an uphill battle convincing anyone that it was played on a sax.
Mike
Still an Amateur, but not really middle-aged anymore
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2010-08-04 23:01
Just listening to the "Swan" recording referenced above. The recording quality is primitive, but there is no doubt at all in my mind that I am listening an English horn -- or "Cor", as Chris P. would have it.
Susan
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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2010-08-07 01:09
It's very intersting to listen to Tabuteau and Miller both playing Handel Oboe Concerto in G minor on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ynaEqfGFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po_f_drZ7oo
Mark
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Author: mschmidt
Date: 2010-08-07 03:58
Very interesting. But, sadly, I have such a strange aversion to the Handel Concerto that I can't bear to listen to the whole of either.
It's trange because there's hardly a piece of classical music that I can't stand to listen to. But having to perform this particular one before I was really in a position to do a good job of it has perhaps ruined it for me forever.
Having said that, though, I wonder whether the Concerto was in fact one of Handel's less-inspired works. It just seems like all the work of the Baroque without any of the fun.
Mike
Still an Amateur, but not really middle-aged anymore
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Author: mschmidt
Date: 2010-08-09 18:22
Hmmm...two days have gone by and nobody has come to the defense of Handel's G minor concerto. What could this possibly mean????
Mike
Still an Amateur, but not really middle-aged anymore
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2010-08-09 19:16
OK, Mike, I'm game.
I always loved that concerto -- as a kid I would plunk out the piano reduction while humming the oboe line. I created dozens of ornamentation variations for the Sarabande. I enjoyed experimenting with tempi and dynamics. But I always resisted performing it, because my instruments in those years did not have a great second octave G -- a prerequisite for that work. After I changed to a Laubin (without the G issue) from the Loree, I jumped at the opportunity to perform it with a local group. And I loved doing it.
The work gives the performer both opportunity to be propelled by the force of the continuo line and supporting chord structure, and to float as if totally free and suspended in air in places like the first figure in the oboe line, and in the Sarabande. And there is great joy in the third movement, and a drive to it (though not, in my opinion, to be taken too fast!).
Rethink the work!
Elizabeth
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Author: wkleung
Date: 2010-08-09 23:15
I like the Handel G minor concerto. Really not sure what's your problem with it, Mike! Perhaps you just have to listen to a good rendition of it.
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