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Author: D
Date: 2009-08-23 18:50
In the context of
"Flauto, Oboe, Clarinetto, Corno, Fagotto", what is 'corno' and what transposition would I have to perform to change it to treble clef C instrument or treble clef F instrument?
All I find in online translators is 'horn' but I don't know if that is French horn or English horn or any other type of horn!
Thanks guys - this one seemed to stump the search engine.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2009-08-23 18:59
D wrote:
> In the context of
> "Flauto, Oboe, Clarinetto, Corno, Fagotto", what is 'corno' and
> what transposition would I have to perform to change it to
> treble clef C instrument or treble clef F instrument?
>
> All I find in online translators is 'horn' but I don't know if
> that is French horn or English horn or any other type of horn!
"French" horn (the instrumentation is standard woodwind quintet). The French horn is almost always in F, so the F transposition would be trivial.
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Author: D
Date: 2009-08-23 19:09
Thanks for the quick response Mark, that is what I was dreading! The one thing we don't have access to. If I wanted to write out the part for the Cor Anglais , any idea what I'd have to do?
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Author: oboemoboe
Date: 2009-08-23 19:16
You would not have to write it out for cor anglais, as both instruments are in F! The only thing is that french horn can play quite a bit lower thans cor anglais, so anything below the low Bb (the one under the staff) would have to be brought up an octave, but other than that, you can play a french horn (make sure it's in F, but usually, it is) on CA, and it will soud fine!
Have fun!
O.
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Author: D
Date: 2009-08-23 19:26
Ah, brilliant. The only low note it gets is a G ground base kind of note which comes up fairly frequently. I can swap those with the basson because where it occurs that bassoon is not doing anything which can't be switched over, or we might be able to give a few of them to the clarinet if it breaks a bassoon line. Excellent. Thanks guys, that makes my life so much easier. For those of us who didn't study music after school band this board is invaluable.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-08-23 20:57
Provided the horn part is in F you can play it as is without any alterations (apart from giving the bassoon the notes that go below your low B), and it should say what pitch horn it is at the beginning - usually F, E, Eb, D, C, Bb or A - so 'Corno in Fa' is an F horn. Orchestral horn players are usually wizards at transposition.
C horn parts are in C basso (still treble clef, but sounding an 8ve lower than written - same as tenor voice or bass flute and bass oboe/heckelphone writing), so you'll have to transpose down a 4th instead of up a 5th as you'd normally do when reading off concert pitch treble clef parts on cor. http://www.hornexcerpts.org/excerpt_pages/brahmsS3/brahmsS3_2.html
Funny thing with horns is they're usually full double (F/Bb), though they mostly use the Bb side (in Europe anyway) but still read off F parts while in Bb without transposing, the fingerings for the Bb side are named after their pitches as though pitched in F.
Even with single Bb horns they'll play music transposed for F instruments using the fingerings for the Bb side (from the chart for full double), and the A (stopping) valve on these lowers the entire instrument by a semitone so that makes easy work of playing E horn parts without transposing (but that's regarded as cheating). I'm re-reading this to see if it makes sense and I'm just confusing myself - you have to try it out to see the logic.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2009-08-23 20:57)
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2009-08-24 08:33
If you're looking for a quintet that uses English horn instead of Horn, try Villa-Lobos...It's difficult for all the parts, either in counting or in technical passages, but a great piece when you've got it down. Make sure you have a really good flutist!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-08-24 09:52
And a quintet that has the oboe change to cor, the Nielsen.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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