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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-11-26 22:54
There exist youtube videos of interviews with Joe Allard, but I haven't been able to find any recordings of him performing. By all accounts, he was a fantastic musician.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-27 00:52
Allard was a working musician who had a regular gig with the Bell Telephone Hour radio and TV show for many years (1940 to 1958 on the radio and 1958? to 1965 on TV). Some students of his (e.g. Edward Joffe) had complied a list of DVD's with him playing in the orchestra on that show, but I don't know what became of it. I do know some of the DVDs are still available from https://www.lovingtheclassics.com if you search there for "Bell Telephone Hour," but I can't tell you which ones he's on. Jimmy Abato and Daniel Bonade played with the Bell Telephone Orchestra too at certain times. Somewhere there is a video of Bonade playing the cadenza in Orpheus in Hades. I recall a video of Allard playing the Rhapsody and Blue solo with an orchestra but all the other details are blurred. I don't know of any solo or chamber music recordings that Allard ever did.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-11-28 01:15
Thank you Seabreeze. There are also very few recordings of Daniel Bonade. Like Marcel Tabuteau, Bonade came back to France when he retired. Both were either forgotten or unknown when they came back here.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-28 02:33
Even Bonade's recordings are mostly orchestral work with Philadelphia; I recall David Weber saying that Bonade did few recitals or solo concerto performances in his American career. Larry Guy complied a CD a few years ago with selections from Bonade's Philadelphia Orchestra performances and maybe a little solo stuff from his earlier career in France. The CD was called "The Legacy of Bonade." Here's a YouTube excerpt of Bonade in two different performances:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=daniel+bonade+clarinet+grabaciones+historicas.
The most famous American clarinet teachers did not record much or at all as soloists: Russianoff, Stanley Hasty, Bonade, and Gilad today. There are a couple of recordings by Gustave Langenus (the Mozart Quintet and some excerpts from his method) and several by Simeon Bellison that were reissued on a CD "The Simeon Bellison Clarinet Legacy." During the 1950s and early 60s, most of the solo classical clarinet recordings available in record shops were by David Glazer (in the 60s), Reginald Kell, Louis Cahuzac, and Leopold Wlach.
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2020-11-28 04:08
During the 1950s and early 60s, most of the solo classical clarinet recordings available in record shops were by David Glazer, Reginald Kell, Louis Cahuzac, and Leopold Wlach.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-11-28 10:56
It must have been Stanley Hasty that was on old recordings of the Rochester Symphony Orchestra. Whoever the clarinetist was on them, he had fantastic sound and phrasing. I don't wish to come to a hasty conclusion though.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-28 23:32
Hasty is on many of the recordings directed by Howard Hanson. He also recorded chamber music from time to time that somebody ought to collect and put on YouTube. He performed Schubert's Shepherd on the Rock with Gloria Bugni McMaster on the LP McMasters Sings Spohr, Schubert, and Mozart--Century Records 36973. Also he played the Charles Ives Largo for Violin, Clarinet, and Piano on the Vox Box Set SVBX564, Charles Ives, Frank Glazer Complete Chamber Music, Vol 1., and he did a work by Stanley Walden called "Some Changes" with mezzo-soprano Jan De Gaetani on the LP Eastman American Music Series, Vol 5--Troy Records 261, in 1997.
I did find these little sections from "Some Changes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvTE_4X4z8 and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tqkZsCVntk
It seems odd today that so many of the big names in American clarinet teaching did not play or record the big solo works for the instrument. They didn't step up and record the concertos of Spohr or Crusell, for instance or the Debussy Rhapsody or the Brahms Quintet.
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Author: DougR
Date: 2020-11-29 03:48
Here ya go, link for the Allard Rhapsody in Blue. I somehow had the idea that Joe played bass clarinet mostly, in these made-for-TV orchestras, with guys like Al Gallodoro and David Weber in the principal clarinet chairs, but I could be wrong. This is Paul Whitman conducting, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH-kjNpJzoo
To Seabreeze: I'm not that familiar with Hasty's non-academic career, but I'm going to guess that for those other famous teachers, they didn't record standard clarinet rep because no one HIRED them to. I could be wrong, of course, and I'm sure any of these teachers would have loved to record if anyone would have booked them. Just my 2c.
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Author: donald
Date: 2020-11-29 14:47
Not many recordings at all of Crusell and Spohr by anyone prior to the 1980s (Leister and Dehnman recording of Spohr preceeded only by Dreisbach in the 1930s? Thea King the earliest Crusell? Feel free to correct me).
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2020-11-29 15:19
Donald
Re: older recordings of Crusell and Spohr.
Gervase de Peyer recorded Spohr and Crusell concerti.
Tom Piercy
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Author: Steve Becraft
Date: 2020-11-29 21:11
For those of you who wish to go down this rabbit hole, Dr. Elizabeth Gunlogson (University of New Hampshire) wrote an extensive dissertation about Stanley Hasty. This includes a "selected orchestral discography" of his recordings with the symphonies of Indianapolis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Rochester, and Eastman-Rochester.
https://fsu.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fsu%3A182145
I wouldn't be surprised if a number of these old RCA Victor, Columbia, Mercury, and Capitol recordings were available on Naxos Listening Library.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-29 21:19
It's true that the Spohr and Crusell pieces were sort of sleeping but for solo clarinet work in general, as rmk54 says, Klocker in Germany was churning out record after record of all sorts of things, some much more obscure than Spohr, and in the 50s Delecluse in France had recorded the Saint-Saens Sonata, the Milhaud Sonatine, the Mozart Concerto, the Brahms Quintet, and even one or two Baroque pieces with harpsichord accompaniment. Some of this was done to promote Selmer clarinets. Even going back to 1929 and the 30s, August Perier made excellent recordings of clarinet and piano works, and of course Cahuzac made many recordings long before he did the Hindemith Concerto. In the US perhaps, as DougR suggests. having a recording contract was the key. Goodman had recording contracts so he could record the Bartok Contrasts, Brahms Sonatas, the Debussy Rhapsody, the Mozart Quintet and much more. Goodman was also a recognizable brand name in the popular mind, but Bonade, Hasty, and Allard, outside the charmed word of clarinet devotees, were relatively unknown and therefore didn't have the same access to the recording studio as soloists. Still, I wonder. Artie Shaw was a big fan of Daniel Bonade (though he never studied with Bonade) and it is not unthinkable that if Bonade had wanted to make a solo recording Shaw would have been willing to set up the necessary contacts.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-29 21:32
Thanks, Steve. That dissertation even lists every known student of Hasty. It also refers to Glen Bowen's "A Stanley Hasty Discography" in The Clarinet Magazine, June 2004, page 86.
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Author: Dan Oberlin ★2017
Date: 2020-11-30 00:35
Back in 1963 or so my teacher gave me an LP recording of some of the Jeanjean 16 etudes. My memory tells me that it was Bonade, perhaps on a recording sponsored by Leblanc. But the discussion above of the scarcity of Bonade's recordings makes me doubt this now. Do any of you know anything about such a demo record, by Bonade or anybody else? (The recording was badly warped when my teacher handed it off to me, with only a few of the tracks playable. That probably explains why it disappeared from my life.)
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-11-30 00:56
Dan,
Could it be that the LP you have in mind actually featured Bonade student Robert Listokin playing the Cyril Rose 32 etudes? That record also included an orchestral excerpt or two from Bonade's recordings. I distinctly recall Bonade playing the solo from the Zampa Overture. The pressing of the LP I had (from around 1960) was produced to promote Leblanc's LL clarinet, though it could have been a reissue of an older production.
I don't know of any LeBlanc record of JeanJean etudes by Bonade or any of his students.
When I studied with Ron deKant, he told me that while Listokin was recording the Rose, Bonade kept interrupting him after every take to "fix the reed" and offer more advice on the phrasing. deKant was one of Bonade's last students at Julliard and knew Listokin well.
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Author: donald
Date: 2020-11-30 09:51
Mr deKant and Bob Listokin were actually "roomies" at some point while studying in NY. I believe the "last" Bonade student was Jerry Neil Smith. (I met JNS many times in the 1990s but he never made this claim to me, he was later described that way both by another of his contemporaries and in an article in The Clarinet. A claim I'd usually take with a grain of salt - I know TWO cellists who claim to be "the last student of William Pleeth" but in this case I believe it to be genuine, regardless of any significance or lack thereof)
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Author: jim sclater
Date: 2020-11-30 17:04
When I was in college I had the great pleasure of hearing Ronald DeKant play a concert or two with the New Orleans SO.For a young player like me it was an inspiring experience. RD would also come over to Mobile, AL, my home town, and play in the opera orchestra, too. Always thought he was just one of the finest players I ever heard. The New Orleans orchestra in the early '60's was just top-notch; haven't heard them in many years, though.
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Author: Mistletoeman
Date: 2020-12-07 21:42
I just spoke to Jerry Neil Smith and he said he never met Bonade but always wanted to.
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