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Author: poppi
Date: 2019-09-19 19:12
I'm really impressed with a Leblanc Esprit I acquired recently and I'm looking for one in "A" to go along with my Bb. But I'm just becoming aware of the reboring of some models that took place. Does anyone know which models were subject to this and possibly the years/time-frame it affected? Thanks.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2019-09-19 19:16
I'm not sure whether Leblanc made an A Esprit. The Esprit wasn't a professional clarinet and I've never seen a student A clarinet.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: poppi
Date: 2019-09-19 19:48
I saw a brochure from the nineties showing they made a 1040A and 1040AS (silver?) - the Bb models are the 1040 and 1040S - but I've never seen an A for sale anywhere.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2019-09-19 22:55
The A model certainly exists. I overhauled and sold one not more than 18 months ago. The player matched it with an R13 Bb and is very happy with the way the Esprit plays. At least as good or even better than the R13 is her view.
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Author: poppi
Date: 2019-09-19 23:26
Thank you that's good news - guess I'll just have to keep looking. My Bb Esprit was given to me - broken and unplayable I was told. I found the lowest key cup bent/tilted out of whack. After repairing it I was surprised how well it plays -very much "in tune with itself" kind of ping to it. I'm in the market for an A if you run across another.
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Author: poppi
Date: 2019-09-20 00:56
Now back to the reboring question - I'm pretty certain this Esprit of mine was unmolested, but are there any references available to help avoid buying a Leblanc that was rebored? From what I've read it could apply to some models as far back as 1967.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2019-09-20 02:30
Just for my benefit (and maybe others'), who was doing the reboring? What was the purpose?
Karl
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Author: poppi
Date: 2019-09-20 17:39
I've read that some of Leblanc's models were sent back to their headquarters in Kenosha over the years and re-bored, resulting of course in a larger bore diameter. I'd just like to substantiate this, separate fact from fiction, to know which horns were affected.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2019-09-20 20:51
So, the question still remains (which I assume you can't answer, but maybe someone here knows) - why was this being done (assuming that the story is true)? It's possible that there was a run of them that were bored too tight in the first place (mis-set equipment, failed experiment...), and they were simply reaming them back to the original design.
Karl
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Author: donald
Date: 2019-09-22 03:44
Lee Gibson wrote about this in his column "Clarinalysis" in The Clarinet many years back- I can't remember details but I doubt he would have "made it up".
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Author: Ed Lowry
Date: 2019-09-23 08:24
Another reference:
https://clarinetcorner.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/its-really-a-big-bore/
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Author: kdk
Date: 2019-09-23 18:48
Thanks, Ed.
Seems to answer my questions. I guess one way to identify the ones that were re-bored is to test the RH pitch for both sharpness in the chalumeau and too small twelfths.
Karl
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2019-09-24 16:07
I'm in UK and have two Bb Dynamic-H's, circa 1970 and 1984, acquired second-hand through UK auction houses, and I'm assuming - (never assume! :-)) - that neither has been to the re-bore workshop in Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA. They play very similarly: there is a slight, noticeable but manageable discrepancy in tuning when playing full-range octave-intervals and arpeggios, which I might describe as a sharpness in the lower half of the chalumeau register. (factory barrels, mouthpieces with & or without 15mm exit bore)
I just assume this is a 'feature' of the factory Legere 15mm large bore & tone-hole placement, and adjust embouchure accordingly, as best as I can. The octaves-tuning discrepancy is not as noticeable on my identical-bore Selmer CentredTone.
Of about 9 or 10 clarinets I own, the Dynamic H's have easily the nicest tone, and are my favourites to play.
( IMHO, FWIW, YMMV.) -A-
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Author: Mojo
Date: 2019-09-24 16:54
“At his shop people enlarged 14.65 bore clarinets to 15.00mm“.
I play a 1958 Symphonie II. I like the intonation. I measured the bore at the top and bottom of the top half at 14.85mm.
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