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 The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-01-16 01:53

Well, it was entirely predicable that Ricardo Morales, when he switched to Uebel, not long ago, would sooner or later collaborate with them to produce a new model clarinet. What was not predictable was just how fast it has happened. Evidently he introduced the Zenit clarinet at a trade show in Japan in December and a certain number of them have been produced and are ready to go. Some photos have appeared with Ricardo holding the mopani version. Anybody see these instruments in the US yet? Has anybody tried (or bought) one yet? I've seen a photo of Giora Feidman holding this model, I believe.

The Zenit is expected to made its first formal appearance in the US at the NAMM in California this month.



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: vintschevski 
Date:   2019-01-16 07:25

I can't answer your questions in the affirmative, but just for anybody's interest there is a youtube video with this Uebel Zenit clarinet in the Royal Bangkok Symphony Orchestra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_467jfkgbI

It's very short, and the clarinet sounds unpleasantly shrill, but it has been recorded very close up and the tone may sound better out in the audience area. Not much to be learnt from the video, but there it is.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-01-16 07:42

Thanks. We should point out that the clarinetist in this video is evidently Mr. Yos Vaneesom, not Ricardo Morales.



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-01-16 08:17

Interesting looking horn. Actually taking into consideration that the sound was recorded off someone's GoPro in the guys face, I think it came off pretty good.







...................Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2019-01-16 10:48

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2211372969127373&id=1445824625682215

There is a video of Ricardo playing this new clarinet on Uebel’s Facebook page. He sounds wonderful.

Bb Clarinet: Ridenour G1, Mouthpiece: Bernardo’s 1940 Cicero Reeds: Vandoren traditional 3.5, Behn Aria 4, Ligature: BG duo

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-01-16 11:09

Ok, bad video quality.......I think we all WANT to see the horn too.


From what I can tell (not very well) the horn Morales is using appears to have a ring on the bell and I don't see the vent hole. Of course, if Uebel says its the new Zenit then I guess it is.


Ricardo is great no matter what. Just wish they posted in HD.




................Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: PutnamFellow161 
Date:   2019-01-16 12:45

Here's the same video but in better quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u--CIikURU

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2019-01-16 15:17
Attachment:  Feidman.jpg (96k)
Attachment:  Zenit.jpg (51k)

Re the original Post, yes, Feidman now apparently plays on a 24K gold mopane wood Zenit clarinet. See the attached photo.

I still don't get Uebels Information and distribution strategy! They continuously update their FB page (from where I've taken the photos), but there's still basically no Shop I know of in Germany with a complete collection of their Boehms clarinets (eg the Superior Eb can possibly only be found at Howarth of London , the Advantage is out of stock everywhere, their new "Excellence" is listed on their website, but again completely unavailable).
Anyways, the Zenit seems to be made in A, too

Best regards
Christian

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-01-16 16:49

Great follow up guys, thanks!


Don't get me started on the distribution aspect.


Bottom line though is that they are indeed much smaller than Buffet. The interesting thing about them is that as a German based (owned) company, they have put their upgrade efforts into the Boehm/US market. As far as I know they have not yet attempted to make an Oehler flagship model.


As for distribution, they started trying to get their product in local stores in the US but then opted out for an internet order only business model (about two years ago). I think that's where is stands now officially.


Whatever they are currently doing, I think they may find that keeping up with demand may be their biggest problem. And will that be reflected in future pricing????





..................Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2019-01-16 17:29

My take on that is:
Since Boehm clarinets ought to be marketed outside Germany and since Stoelzel, the company behind Uebel, is a distributor for many brands, they may have great preconditions for outsourcing their clarinet manufacturing. It's evident that at least on their German system clarinets, only the final assembly is done in Germany. One might presume that their high-end Boehms cannot be produced in sufficient quantities, yet.

Anyways, their FB also suggests they tour around the globe to present their new Boehm clarinets; they really seem to invest into marketing (and why the heck is Morales suddenly advertising Uebel now???)
https://www.philorch.org/about/musicians/ricardo-morales#/
He's holding a Zenit in this pic.

This whole situation is getting a bit fishy. In addition to that, they've also released another model, the "Romanza". Maybe this is how clarinet making works nowadays, engage with as many artists as you (by any means...) and name 1-2 models after them, so people believe the clarinet has been reinvented. Again. Thanks, social media.

Better just wait for this all to blow over and see wether I'll find 2-3 different models in a music store, there is no use in sticking a great name on your instrument and making it look as flashy as possible.
At least Leiter&Kraus or other serious German makers haven't started "modern marketing" yet.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2019-01-16 18:43

Anyone know what "Zenit" means? Rossi sells a "Cenit," which has no middle joint. Is this also one-piece? The pictures make it look almost more like well-oiled boxwood that any mopani instrument I've seen.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2019-01-16 20:30

No, other pictures on their FB clearly indicate it has a traditional 2-piece body.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2019-01-16 22:32

Thanks! Google says "Zenit" is "Zenith" in German, which makes sense, at least until they come out with another model that's even higher (priced).

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-01-16 22:39

Anyone going to NAMM should get a chance to try one. Moe & B says they will officially be out and on sale at that event. They will also have some at their showroom in Pottsville, PA by then.



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: DaphnisetChloe 
Date:   2019-01-17 02:11

Does anyone know what mouthpiece Mr Morales is playing in the clip?

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Speculator Sam 
Date:   2019-01-19 23:55

The only thing more thing more smoother and richer than Morales' playing is chocolate... but yeah wow that new model of clarinet seems like it's very elaborate and refreshing.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-01-20 00:24

Morales plays the second movement of the Malcolm Arnold Sonatina on what may be the grenadilla model of the Zenit (or is it the unmodified Uebel Superior?) at
https://www.ricardomorales.com. (Scroll down below "Events" to hear it).



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-01-20 02:26

I think I see gold posts in the video, but that "mountain" logo for the Zenith is pretty clear.



I know a few folks going to next weeks NAMM (the Uebel booth is right next to the Buffet booth..........is that like having a Burger King across the street from a McDonalds?). Hopefully I will hear some sort of review on it next weekend.





...............Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: echelonphoto 
Date:   2019-04-12 00:37

Update:


I have the good fortune to be right around the corner from a new Eubel
distributor....and it is associated with Ricardo himself. My repairman...Larry Frank is now in the process of opening a showroom where instruments can be tried out. He is now the official go to adjuster for Vienna Music company, which will be supplying the instruments. He does Ricardo's instruments now and those of Ricardo's students.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: echelonphoto 
Date:   2019-04-12 00:42

BTW....Ricardo has been responsible for complete design changes to the new clarinets, which are the Zenith and the Romanza. The bad news....they run about 8 grand each.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Ed Palanker 2017
Date:   2019-04-13 16:06

He played on his new model with his Philadelphia Orchestra last month, the Weber Second concerto, sounded fantastic. After the concert I went back and talked to him and played the clarinet, it's beautiful. The manager of Uebel was there as well to talk to him about any last minute "adjustments" he was going to suggest. He told me it was just about ready to be released and would not be "mass" produced.

ESP eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Steven Ocone 2017
Date:   2019-04-13 17:04

Prices are relative. Most symphony players (other woodwinds, strings) would be very happy to pay only 8 grand for their instrument. But then again, at that price I won't be rushing out to buy one either.

Steven Ocone
Ann & Steve's Music

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Ed Palanker 2017
Date:   2019-04-14 16:58

Somehow eight thousand dollars doesn't sound like much to me, a bass clarinet already costs more that that but that doesn't mean the average orchestra player already being happy with thier clarinets will be running out to buy a set. If I weren't retired and was looking to upgrade I'd certainly give them a go. Heck, the last clarinet I bought was a Bb Selmer in the later 90s for $3,000, some models and brands where selling for much more than that, and we're talking 20 years ago.

ESP eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2019-04-14 19:09

https://trevorjonesltd.co.uk/Uebel-Clarinets.htm
Here's a somewhat realistic Price list of ALL current Uebel clarinets. So a gold plated, mopane Zenit costs as much as a regular Lumiére.

I don't know, given a Yamaha CSG III HL with the extra keys is steal cheaper, this sounds pretty hefty. One should rather compare them with Yamaha's new SE Artist... or the Legende. Basically close to the maximum you're paying for a Boehm clarinet, only topped by small makers like S&S...
Makes Uebels Bass seem pretty cheap, haha!

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-04-15 00:41

Also under the heading of "keeping it real," the Uebel Advantage is one amazing horn.....if you haven't tried one yet, you should.





................Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Musikat 
Date:   2019-04-15 03:53

I got to try one today! They are indeed gold posts, so the whole effect is a two-tone look. The silver rings connecting the joints have a decorative design as well. I was at a local Maryland clarinet symposium and Uebel had a booth there. I really liked the instrument, but this was my first time trying any Uebels. I liked a couple of the other (less expensive) models almost as well. The ones i liked had a more free blowing feel to them and a nice tone. I liked them better than the high end Buffets I tried, but of course there was only one model on a peg, so given a range of instruments in a room, I might have a total different experience. I was just looking for fun, so didn't try anything for long.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Larry Frank 
Date:   2019-05-21 19:54

BD513 , but he also often plays BD5d

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2019-05-21 23:39

Larry is the guy to go to for getting them worked on. He know's what to to more than anyone out there as he works with Ricardo on design tweaks. His shop is also the place to get them from!

Great repairman!! Even for something fairly minor, I'm tempted to fly to Philly to get work done on all of my Instruments.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.skypeclarinetlessons.com/about.html


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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Larry Frank 
Date:   2019-05-22 01:01

Uebel Official Showroom at Larry Frank Woodwind Audubon, NJ


We are working hard for the Aug. 1st grand opening of the official F.A Uebel showroom in Audubon, NJ15 miles from downtown Philly. In the meantime, come see our fully loaded temporary showroom upstairs, and experience over 30 clarinets, including Bass and Eb. Various models are available to try: Classic-L, Advantage-L, Romanza, and Zenit (Silver Plated / Gold posts / Mopane 24k Gold). All Vienna Music Co. clarinets have been adjusted and optimized by @Frank Woodwind, and further in-house customization is available.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Larry Frank 
Date:   2019-05-22 01:17

Romanza is about 5 grand and he just stared Bela Kovacs Recording project with Romanza model sponsored by Vienna Music Co, a new distributor of Uebel Clarinet near Philadelphia. www.viennamusicus.com

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2019-05-22 06:13

A bd5D? I have a BD5D and the tuning is not great. I wonder if this can be tweaked as well?

Bb Clarinet: Ridenour G1, Mouthpiece: Bernardo’s 1940 Cicero Reeds: Vandoren traditional 3.5, Behn Aria 4, Ligature: BG duo

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2019-06-12 19:21

https://youtu.be/-oUxeI0wDSs

Here Ricardo is playing a Uebel clarinet with the BD5D. I actually sold my BD5D to him online. He has a great sound!

Bb Clarinet: Ridenour G1, Mouthpiece: Bernardo’s 1940 Cicero Reeds: Vandoren traditional 3.5, Behn Aria 4, Ligature: BG duo

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-06-12 20:09

Vienna Music Co?


Wasn't Moe-Bleichner the exclusive US distributer of Uebel Clarinets?






....................Paul Aviles



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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: tucker 2017
Date:   2019-06-12 20:37

I thought so too, Paul. Comparing the two websites, Vienna is substantially pricier than Moe-Bleichner.

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 Re: The New (R. Morales) Zenit Clarinet from Uebel
Author: gwie 
Date:   2019-06-12 21:15

https://woodwindboutique.com/bb-clarinets/140-uebel-zenit-bb-silver-plated-with-gold-plated-posts.html
$7134

https://www.viennamusicus.com/product/zenit-silver-plated-with-gold-posts-bb/
$7950

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