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 The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2018-01-29 04:27

Lets face it..Olivier Patey and many other greats play this mouthpiece There is a youtube vid of him playing Bruckner 4 on this..the B40 lyre which is an excellent facing is used by Michael Collins and a number of soloisits...bravo the Msr. Gauvin for all his hard work on designing something new which is a somewhat more open facing with alot of gutsy tone!

David Dow

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2018-01-29 04:28

here is the youtube link,
ps. Jean Paul Gauvin desingned these two facings...the B40 release date I am not sure of the lyre version late 2001 or ealry 2002.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80wPyjWBuwI

David Dow

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: Jeroen 
Date:   2018-01-29 12:41

Olivier Patey uses specific the 13 version of the B40 which gives a little different sound than the non-13 version.

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2018-04-28 06:53

Not only that, but he plays them with a strength 4 V12 reed!

He says it’s in order to have a rich sound in a big orchestra. Does anyone else find playing stronger reeds than normal good for playing large concert halls?

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: donald 
Date:   2018-04-28 10:49

Lots of really good and successful players use the various versions of B40 (especially in northern Europe, but also at least 2 principal players in Australia), I've tried but never really manage to make it work. For me, I've always loved the feeling of springiness you get with the more open facing, but just find it to uncomfortable for my embouchure.

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2018-05-01 21:23

The B40 13 is a fine facing..in Canada many leading players use it ..mostly on R13 clarinet i suspect. As for tuning I have no issue..it also seems there is a resurgence of the B40 Lyre as well among players in New York and Los Angeles...I have heard Zinner will be longer making blanks...hmm that leaves the market in Europe in a quandry.

David Dow

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2018-05-01 21:51

Not a few custom mouthpiece makers/finishers here in the states as well.

Karl

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2018-05-02 01:15

This could be a big opportunity for the many mouthpiece manufacturers who do not use Zinner blanks to become suppliers to those who once did. A few examples would be Ramon Wodkowski, Vandoren, Selmer, Licostini, Gotsu, Kuckmeier, Wi & Fi, Brad Behn (for most of his models), and Doug McClure with his recent CNC blanks supplied by Wes Rice (who also does the Fobes 10k blank). With the market open I would expect as least some of these, and many more, to jump on the bandwagon. In Germany I believe Leitner and Krauss make at least some of their own blanks; not sure about AW and EMS Schreiber.

Think of all the great A. Lelandais, Chedeville, Kaspar, Selmer, Vandoren, Woodwind, and Sumner mouthpieces that were made and played long before anyone heard of Zinner. (And some would add Kanter and Bay pieces to this little list).

Don't get me wrong; I have a Moba C and a Grabner CH Chicago, both on Zinner blanks, that I like very much, but as good as Zinners could be, they are not the beginning or the end of mouthpieces



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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: gavalanche20 
Date:   2018-05-02 02:36

Why is Zinner stopping production of blanks? It sounds odd as they seem to be the most popular sources of "professional" blanks. Who does that leave us with? I know there's Babbitt, and the Chedeville name has changed hands once more, so I guess there's that. On top of that some prominent mouthpiece makers have their own blanks now anyways like Behn and Fobes.

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-05-03 02:15

The B40 is extremely popular in Europe. I play with guys often who have it on.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: Grabnerwg 
Date:   2018-05-03 16:19

Sadly, the world was informed last week that the firm of Hans Zinner GmbH & Co KG will be ending their business on June 30 of this year. Zinner has been in business for three generations and their absence will be keenly missed. Tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of clarinet players currently play on Zinner based mouthpieces.

Many vendors of hand finished mouthpieces use products from Zinner. Zinner is the single largest provider of products to this market.

I currently have over 300 Zinner mouthpiece blanks on hand, so I will be continuing to fill orders for all my Zinner based mouthpieces for quite awhile. You can feel confident in ordering at this time. Later as these stocks are depleted, the blanks will be replaced with those from other vendors or those which I will have designed and manufactured myself.

So, one era ends, and another starts,

Walter Grabner
www.clarinetxpress.com

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: HANGARDUDE 
Date:   2018-05-03 21:26

Gavalanche20,

According to Clark Fobes(who makes many of his mouthpieces with Zinner blanks), Hans Zinner and his brother(the owners of the Zinner company) are retiring in the end of June this year. And it is uncertain what the future holds for the Zinner company after that.

Back to the B40 topic, I have used a B40 and B40 Lyre alternatively for some time. While I like their sounds, I couldn't control them very well.

But yes, the B40 series are really popular from around the world. Pretty much 80% of the pro players I've met recommended them. They seem to be the most popular models that Vandoren makes, though the BD5 seems to be almost as popular in recent years.

Josh


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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2018-05-04 11:00

>> Lets face it <<

Usually no need, it'a fine the way it is :)

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: gavalanche20 
Date:   2018-05-04 11:16

I hate to take this thread on yet another tangent, but has anyone been able to compare the B40 to the Reserve X10E? I have an X10E and was wondering how it compares to the B40 as I’ve noticed that D’Addario lists the B40 Lyre as a comparable facing to the X10E.

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: Max S-D 
Date:   2018-05-11 07:13

gavalanche20, I haven't played the X10E, but I do have the X10 and a B40 on trial right now. Though I've only played them for a few hours each, I like both quite a bit and find them to be very different in character. For me, the B40 is warm and smooth, but a bit unfocused unless I put in a very conscious effort to focus the sound quite a bit.

By comparison, the X10 has a lot more focus and what I might risk calling "ping" in the sound. I do feel like I need to try a bit harder to warm up the sound on that one.

The tip opening difference between the two is obviously quite different (1.12mm for the X10 and 1.19mm for the B40), so I am using a #3.5 V12 on the X10 and a #3 V12 on the B40, but I find the resistance between the two to be comparable with these reed combinations.

My main mouthpiece is a Fobes San Francisco (Zinner) with a CF facing, which I play with a #3.5+ or a #4 V12. I tried these two to experiment with more open mouthpieces and softer reeds, which has been transformative for my bass clarinet playing. Jury is still out on whether this is what I want on the clarinet, but I'm intrigued.

Neither of these mouthpieces has what I'd describe as "color" in the tone to the extent that the Fobes does when I'm playing well, but that "color" can easily become harshness or excessive edginess when I'm not careful. Lately, controlling that has felt like riding a bit of a razor's edge, mostly due to the fact that I'm not playing clarinet for 4+ hours a day anymore.

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-05-12 01:11

Just check the windows toward the bottom and make sure that there are no burrs in the window edges. I've seen several mouthpieces that have burrs - not ok for the reed sealing.

Is a very easy fix, but without being fixed, the mouthpiece will not play nearly as well.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.skypeclarinetlessons.com/about.html

Sponsored by Backun/D'Addario/BG/Silverstein/ Artist Teacher and Soloist

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 Re: The Vandoren B40 in the concertgebouw
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2018-05-12 01:11

Run your finger around the window edges to feel for any burr.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.skypeclarinetlessons.com/about.html

Sponsored by Backun/D'Addario/BG/Silverstein/ Artist Teacher and Soloist

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