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 I screwed up, again
Author: gsurosey 
Date:   2018-01-10 17:36

After sending out parts for years that I transposed for Pictures at an Exhibition, I was just informed that there are errors in one of the movements. *many swear words ensuing* When I did it the first time, I royally screwed that one up somehow and got help editing it. So, of course my idiot self still managed to screw it up even after someone else helped me with it. This makes the 2nd project I have undertaken where I have botched the job. This one hurts more as I've sent those parts to countless people over a long period of time only to just find out I screwed one of them up. I apologize to everyone that got my shoddy work. It'll never happen again because there will be no more projects of that type. I thought attention to detail was one of my better traits, but apparently not.

*sigh*

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Rachel

Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb/Bass: Bundy

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Tobin 
Date:   2018-01-10 21:14

Mistakes are made. Don’t give up — just double check!

James

Gnothi Seauton

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Dori 
Date:   2018-01-10 23:37

Many professional publishers sell pieces with errors. Boosey & Hawkes was notorious for this.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-11 02:58

Boosey & Hawkes is terrible. Hire materials are very expensive and are in very poor quality. Fortunately, Bartók's works are out of copyright now and Henle is publishing the complete edition.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-11 04:00

Bartók's works are out of copyright now

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Not in the US.

You must play in a community orchestra - the materials we get from Boosey are usually in quite decent shape, probably because they know that our librarian will send them back if that is not the case. But, yes, they are expensive.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-11 09:16

Quote:

You must play in a community orchestra - the materials we get from Boosey are usually in quite decent shape, probably because they know that our librarian will send them back if that is not the case. But, yes, they are expensive.



No and no. You must be a very undemanding musician. You mistakenly think that good sheet music is just the one in good shape. How naive... Again, take Bartók as an example, errors, terrible page turns, weird cue notes, and the paper quality itself is also not as good as other major German publishers. If it is not out of copyright in US yet, then unfortunately you have to wait a bit longer to enjoy really good quality materials.

By the way, Henle's new edition of Concerto for Orchestra has just been published and Editio Musica Budapest will subsequently publish orchestral materials, how exciting!



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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Jordan Selburn 
Date:   2018-01-11 19:47

If you've ever played in a musical theater pit orchestra, you know that the chances of getting an error-free part are quite slim. Even after decades, the license holders don't bother to fix the parts. Just a couple of examples:

- The "Fiddler on the Roof" book had an Errata sheet! Why they didn't just fix the damn errors is beyond my comprehension. Oh, and the Errata sheet didn't catch all of the errors.
- I just played a run of "My Fair Lady". The printed book I had was brand new, and full of errors such as only the first two notes of a solo being in the right key (guess the copyist stopped transposing at that point), or multiple examples of wrong key signatures/missed key changes, or simply wrong notes. This is a show that was first performed 60 years ago, staged probably thousands of times since, and they haven't fixed it.

Jordan

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2018-01-11 21:43

Don't beat yourself up as there are TONS of glaring errors in published parts and scores that the publishers won't even acknowledge nor correct.

Chris.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-12 00:50

Quote:


rmk54: Not in the US.


What does it really mean?

People in the US can't buy this edition and many other Henle editions?
http://www.henle.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Concerto+for+Orchestra_6201

Conductors in the US can't use this edition for performances?

Musicians can't use all Henle editions for performance or people are not allowed to buy them in the US?

http://www.henle.com/en/search/index.html?Composers=A-C&Composer=Bartók%2C+Béla



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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Ed Lowry 
Date:   2018-01-12 02:10

Thank you Walt Disney and company for lobbying so hard to keep Mickey Mouse under copyright!

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-12 17:12

What does it really mean?

People in the US can't buy this edition and many other Henle editions?
Conductors in the US can't use this edition for performances?
Musicians can't use all Henle editions for performance or people are not allowed to buy them in the US?

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Correct on all counts, at least where orchestral music is concerned. Scores may be available, but not instrumental parts.

Mr. Lowry is exactly right: Disney paid off US Congress to extend copyright protections for Mickey Mouse. However, I just read somewhere that they will allow Mr. Mouse to transition to the public domain soon.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2018-01-12 19:04

I understand that Mr Mouse has been offered a position with Buffet.

Tony F.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-12 20:04

Quote:

Correct on all counts, at least where orchestral music is concerned. Scores may be available, but not instrumental parts.


Law layman here. Do you also mean that pianists cannot use Henle editions for performance? Can musicians even bring the Henle editions in to the US? Is this also illegal?

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-12 22:50

By instrumental parts I meant extracted parts for orchestral scores - not solo or chamber repertoire.

You could probably bring a set of parts (say for the Bartok you referred to previously) into the country, but if you use them for a performance without at least renting the materials from the US distributor, you will be sued.

And yes, they do monitor such things.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-12 23:26

You said Bartók is not out of copyright in the US, and when I asked if musicians can't buy all other Henle editions in US or use them for performances, you said it is correct. Why now solo or chamber repertoire is ok then? I don't understand. Copyright law in the US only controls orchestral parts??? Could you please give consistent statements? This is quite important in my opinion as we certainly don't want to do something illegal in the country.

I am sorry if this is out of the topic of the original post but I really feel this is important to make sure.



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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-13 04:04

Different countries have different laws. If I don't like the fact that chewing gum is illegal in Singapore (it is!) then I shouldn't visit there, or at least be prepared not to chew gum.

There are works that are public domain in the US but still under copyright protection in the EU. When US orchestras tour in the EU and perform these works they have to pay rental fees even though they are using their own parts.

So, if your orchestra is coming to the US to play the Bartok Concerto for Orchestra, they will need to pay rental fees to Boosey and Hawkes regardless of which edition is used.

But I am a librarian, not an IP lawyer, so if you want a definitive ruling, best to contact one.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2018-01-13 05:20

How should one proceed if one became fed up with the errors in a particular edition of some music and worked out the corrections? Also, how should one proceed if one notified the publisher with a detailed list of corrections but was ignored?

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-13 05:58

rmk54, so in fact, you don't know the situation regarding solo and chamber music, right? Well, then probably be more careful when you answer others' questions next time as this is quite serious. And thank you for the explanations.

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-13 06:01

Quote:

How should one proceed if one became fed up with the errors in a particular edition of some music and worked out the corrections? Also, how should one proceed if one notified the publisher with a detailed list of corrections but was ignored?


Maybe write down the publisher and piece names here so less people will buy these problematic editions.



Post Edited (2018-01-13 06:02)

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2018-01-13 07:45

I've found that the best way to find errors in transposition I do is to either play the part back and follow along with original, or actually play through part myself. Visually proofing by itself without sound often results in missing the errors even with multiple passes.

Karl

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-13 18:44

Well, then probably be more careful when you answer others' questions next time as this is quite serious.

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I never said anything about solo or chamber music, only orchestral music. Here is my quote from a previous message:

<Correct on all counts, at least where orchestral music is concerned>

I understand that English is probably not your native language, but perhaps you should read more carefully.



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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-13 18:53

Quote:

I never said anything about solo or chamber music, only orchestral music. I understand that English is probably not your native language, but perhaps you should read more carefully.


Quote:

Musicians can't use all Henle editions for performance or people are not allowed to buy them in the US?

http://www.henle.com/en/search/index.html?Composers=A-C&Composer=Bartók%2C+Béla


Quote:

Correct on all counts, at least where orchestral music is concerned. Scores may be available, but not instrumental parts.


I clearly asked all Henle editions and Henle does not publish any orchestral parts. So basically you answer "correct" here is totaly meaningless. Maybe you just didn't bother to check the link... Nevertheless, I still don't understand how the copyright law works in the US. Why are orchestral parts protected but not chamber or solo music? Or they are also protected by the law? Can someone please explain a bit?



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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: rmk54 
Date:   2018-01-13 19:09

Actually, Henle *does* publish orchestral parts, including some works, such as Ravel's Bolero that are PD in the EU but still protected in the US.

I am done with this thread...

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 Re: I screwed up, again
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-13 19:16

Ahh... then I am sorry but I failed to find this work in Henle's catalogue... But as you are one librarian, I assume you know it better.

http://www.henle.com/en/search/index.html?Composers=P-R&Composer=Ravel%2C+Maurice

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